#32351
10/24/2009 06:51 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,475
|
OP
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,475 |
Would it be exceptable to have a WKC 2nd Luft with a gold swaz on a generic pommel?
|
|
|
#32352
10/25/2009 12:07 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 147
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 147 |
Whilst the best option is to have text book fittings, as I mentioned on another thread, 2nd pattern Lufts are the most prolific of all TR daggers to sport a variety of fittings to their blades. If the condition of the pommel with respect to wear, patina and finish is consistent with the rest of the dagger then I would say no problem.
Guns Mr Nolan, I see no Guns!
|
|
|
#32353
10/25/2009 12:42 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,077
|
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,077 |
I agree. Lufts are often "mix and match" examples. Beware of swastikas that are painted gold or have gold applied with hobby store concoctions. Sometimes, traces of gold can be seen on the inside of the pommel, but some real ones have no gold on the inside.
|
|
|
#32354
10/25/2009 02:26 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,290
|
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,290 |
The WKC 2nds I have seen with gold on the pommel often the gold has a black appearance.
|
|
|
#32355
10/25/2009 04:27 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,290
|
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,290 |
|
|
|
#32356
11/06/2009 08:53 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,321
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,321 |
Or this, well what is left anyway. In hand the gilding was black but with the flash of the camera you can see a little gold color.
|
|
|
#32357
11/10/2009 06:15 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,274 |
The best way to tell what a plating layer actually is (at least IMO) is with sunlight. With an actual layer of gold never being used directly, but over a thin base layer of copper or a based copper alloy. With that sometimes having a black or blackish (and sometimes hints of dark green) appearance. That said, zinc is fairly easy to plate. Whereas aluminum is noticeably harder, requiring that the metal be zincated first. FP
|
|
|
#32358
11/11/2009 10:19 AM
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 25
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 25 |
"Grumpy"...please forgive me if this is a silly question...but why would there be "traces of gold" on the inside of the pommel? I've seen pictures of this on this site but don't understand, if it was applied to the swaz on the outside. Please educate me on this...thanks, Mike.
|
|
|
#32359
11/11/2009 11:46 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 147
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 147 |
quote: Originally posted by lakedog:
"Grumpy"...please forgive me if this is a silly question...but why would there be "traces of gold" on the inside of the pommel? I've seen pictures of this on this site but don't understand, if it was applied to the swaz on the outside. Please educate me on this...thanks, Mike.
During the gilding process the parts of the pommel that are not required to be gilded are 'masked' off just leaving the Swaz exposed, many times the the pommel rebate would be left exposed as well, hence you cqan often see traces of the original gilt.
Guns Mr Nolan, I see no Guns!
|
|
|
#32360
12/09/2009 05:12 AM
|
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 4,072
|
|
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 4,072 |
And sometimes the gilting is as bright on the interior of the pommel as it is on the swastika!
|
|
|
#32361
12/12/2009 11:43 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 33
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 33 |
OK Nolan and Graig
thanks for the info !
Hans
|
|
|
#32362
01/15/2010 05:57 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 427
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 427 |
I have a friend who has one second Luft dagger whit the swastika on the cross guard glided. The dagger is orginal but has anyone seen a glided corssguard swastika?
best regards
Fredrik
|
|
|
#32363
01/17/2010 11:42 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,020 Likes: 31
|
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,020 Likes: 31 |
Hello Fredrik, could you show photographs of this dagger? Up to now I never have seen a doubtless period gilded crossguard swastika. But in this hobby we tend never to say never. On the other side we have to keep in mind these were uniform -duty- items (although sometimes privately bought) and for the common soldier/officer any alteration (beside initials on the hidden side) could cause servere punisment by the senior officer. If you did duty in your army, could you imagine having gilded the trigger of your gun  ... Regards,
wotan, gd.c-b#105
"Never look for sqare eggs" as a late owner of an original FHH-dagger used to say.
|
|
|
|
Forums42
Topics31,668
Posts329,048
Members7,519
| |
Most Online5,900
Dec 19th, 2019
|
|
|
8 members (Stephen, Johnny V., ed773, Miroslav, Nietzsche, lakesidetrader, Documentalist, Vern),
532
guests, and
57
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
