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Hello, collectors!
Such dirk got. What it is possible to tell about its originality?
Thanks!

Can you give us a photo of the tang nut ?

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For me, this one would require a 'in-hand' inspection.
I can't see evidence of any plating.

Kind of reminds of of the super fake HJ Leaders lacking plating.
I see a couple of other very minor details but will keep those under my hat.

Perhaps others will be more defined.

Serge

Fist of all it�s not a Government dagger but a Diplomat�s dagger. The overall look is good but as Serge said, there is a row of minute details which do raise serious suspicion. This dagger (and it�s hangers) for sure would need a close and careful in hand inspection.
Regards,

Thanks,Serge , Wotan.
I don't like logo on this diplomat dagger. Here, for example, the same logo on a army dagger. Distinctions very big. Whether somebody can show diplomat dagger with the same logo, how at me?

Sorry, here the same logo!

That logo does not compare in 'quality of details' as originals.

Just seeing that, I would 'pass' on this example. It is my thoughts that this is perhaps a Diplomatic version of the new series of Super Fakes daggers originating out of former east Bloc countries.

Could you tell us what location this is offered to you ?

Serge

Now the subject is in Russia, but the seller claims that brought it from the USA

That's what I thought. These super-fakes seem to be originating from Russia. In particular a dealer in Moscow. I doubt that the origin of this dagger is in the west. That sounds like a cover story to me. I am speaking of 'the source' of these types of good fakes. The dealer is probably not the maker, just perhaps one of a few distributors.
Yes, I will put by name on the block now and call this one a fake.

This is a good one (fake), and can fool many a collector or dealer here. A dangerous copy, the best I've seen so far. better than the Atwood's of the 1960's. However, they still don't have a few things quite right. (no, I'm not saying what those are and no PM's please.)

If you do a provenance 'back-search', you will find that this daggers real back ground ends within 10 years.
-just my opinion, others may think different.-

Serge

I am with Serge. For me the best faked diplomat�s dagger I have seen up to now but -thank�s to collector�s god- the fakers did not get some decisive details I also will not reveal.
As Serge also said, a dangerous fake.
Regards,

I agree with Serge & Wotan, a dangerous dagger for sure but certainly far from perfect.

Thanks!

Dear collectors!
Nobody specified any red tag on this dagger!Your most important argument that a subject - the copy is that it is in Russia. But it not argument!
I will repeat: it isn't specified any negative moment!
Therefore, this dagger can be considered original?
Best regards,
Andrew

Andrew,
If you carefully read the remarks from Wotan, Billy and myself, you will see that we DO NOT consider this a original dagger. The makers logo has been clearly pointed out as not consistent with quality of known originals. other features, has also been noted as:
"the fakers did not get some decisive details I also will not reveal."

we are not obligated to reveal to you what those are.

I took careful consideration before naming this Diplo dagger- fake. Wotan and Billy are very experienced collectors of many years. So.....you can believe what ever you like, but we don't have to prove anything. We stated our opinion. Perhaps, others think this Diplomatic dagger is a authentic period variant example and will post their opinions, and hopefully a example. I would like to see another one, one that has solid provenance from 1945.

However, I would not have this one in my collection as I'm convinced it is new version of a fake. Good one....but not good enough to fake us.

I do want to Thank You for posting it here as we now know what the new version of a Super-Fake Diplomatic Dagger looks like. Lets see it disassembled, and share with us more. I always marvel how good the aging is on the fake parts, and the assy # fonts.

It is forums like this that we collectors can learn about the evolving world of reproductions, and warn others of the dangers lurking within the hobby with fraudsters, who think it is 'good business' to see a collector pay $15,000 on their newly made, artificially aged, fake artifact.

GREAT THREAD.

Serge

Serge, Billy and Wotan,

Another Russian trying out fakes like "ollar" ? Might well be.

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Hm...unless it is correct?
I don't doubt at all correctness of the conclusion made here. But I very much would like to understand this question not to make mistakes further. Well.... write letters...