#31137
05/07/2009 04:35 PM
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Hey Guys, I have a chance to pick up these two hats for a song. Please give me some Opinions on these. I would be grateful for any help I could get. RG88   Thanks! More pics to follow!
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#31138
05/07/2009 04:46 PM
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#31139
05/07/2009 04:49 PM
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#31140
05/07/2009 04:51 PM
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sorry rg88,,,i dont care for either one,,,
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#31141
05/07/2009 05:00 PM
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Thanks MM! Can you please be a bit more specific? You can IM me if you don't want to be public with your comments! I would like to know what to tell the guy in general terms. RG88
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#31142
05/07/2009 05:12 PM
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Hey guys, I have run into this Problem before! I think that one of the purposes of this Forum is Supposedly Education. But People seem very Reluctant to give any information at all. A simple "It's no good!" answer is just not adequate to do any education at all! I understand the reasons, I think. But I am not knowledgeable at all on Headgear and would very much like to learn what it is I am looking for. I am sure I am speaking for a lot of other people out there when I ask for Specific problems with an item. It would seem that there must be some way to balance answers with the need to educate and the need to protect information from people who would use it inappropriately. If a person is using this forum while considering a purchase, when he goes back to the dealer or whatever and states that the item is not right. The very first question he gets will be, "Why? What is wrong with it?" Please, I am not complaining, just trying to encourage what is one of the stated purposes of the Forum! Rg88
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#31143
05/07/2009 05:19 PM
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The insignia on the fez is bad. The eagle is a 'bigfoot' repro. I've never seen a fez with a red sweatband only tan.
I may be wrong on this but I think the logo on the Luft hat is postwar. I don't like the way either look. Sometimes you can't put your finger on it but you just don't get a good feeling on something.
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#31144
05/07/2009 05:26 PM
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Heartfelt Thanks, Raymond! Much better and very informative. RG88
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#31145
05/07/2009 06:00 PM
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Rail & Raymond, I concur re: red sweatbands, however, black sweatbands in maroon fez's are acceptible also! Here are pics of good eagle and skull insigna and sweatband!  Regards, Leipizg SS.jpg (55.99 KB, 385 downloads)
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#31146
05/07/2009 06:18 PM
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Never fry bacon in the nude!
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#31147
05/07/2009 06:29 PM
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hi rg88..sorry for the curt reply,,,was in a hurry to do something else and didnt have the time at that moment to go into details,,,now since my first posting others have given their opinions and i agree with their observations,,,since every else has commented on the fez,i will give my opinions on the luft general hat: eagle looks too large,,looks more like a tunic eagle,,dont like the sweat shield because it looks like those postwar ones where the material is flimsy,not rigid,,and lastly,,,certainly dont like and i have never seen an ink stamping such as the one you illustrate on any Luft generals hat,,looks totally bogus from here...
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#31148
05/07/2009 06:46 PM
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The luft "generals" is an artificially aged (and done poorly) currently made fake by Janke.
Go to the Wehrmacht Awards headgear forum and review the pinned Janke Characteristics thread for details.
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#31149
05/07/2009 10:15 PM
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Luft General visor ---- Agree, eagle is too large, also the stitching is crude, looks like an 8 year old did it. Would a general where a hat with such stitching ?? Also agree on the sweat shield. Just doesn't look right. Sorry but you couldn't give me this hat for free.
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#31150
05/07/2009 10:43 PM
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On the fez, the insignia, sweatband and tassel are all bad. No wonder they are going cheap.
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#31151
05/08/2009 03:32 AM
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well i would take them if they were free!.. 
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#31152
05/10/2009 05:20 PM
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Roger, thanks for letting me know about the black sweatband on the red fez. My green fez has a black one but wasn't sure on the red.
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#31153
05/10/2009 11:10 PM
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Raymond, You're Welcome! Glad to help, Roger
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#31154
05/11/2009 04:21 AM
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I CONCUR THAT THE CAPS ARE BAD. I HAVE SEEN GENUINE HANDSCAR FEW SWEATBANDS IN GRAY AND BLACK. THE LUFTWAFFE GENERAL OFFICER CAP IS A POOR REPRODUCTION. PLIABLE SWEATSIELD, FAKE INSIGNIA. AS STONEMINT SAID, A TEXTBOOK JANKE REPRODUCTION.
I HOPE YO HAVE RECOURSE FOR A REFUND.'BOB
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#31155
05/13/2009 03:10 PM
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Not to worry Guys, I never bought them! Thanks, RG88
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#31156
05/29/2009 03:36 AM
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Is Janke still producing products? What was there mission? Making a replica is one thing. Adding stamps under liners, manufacture logos on sweat shields. What was the goal?
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#31157
09/01/2009 09:26 AM
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All fake....the fez without insignias has a chance maybe....
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#31158
09/06/2009 02:23 PM
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I strongly disagree with the comment about red banded fez. I have a vet direct fez that is 100% with a red band. Take a look. Now maybe this fez has a bad skull and eagle but the red band comment is wrong.
I hope you did not pass up something that was possibly good.
Dan H
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#31159
09/06/2009 02:23 PM
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#31160
09/06/2009 02:25 PM
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#31161
09/06/2009 02:25 PM
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#31162
09/06/2009 02:28 PM
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#31163
09/06/2009 02:31 PM
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In my above post I said "Now maybe this fez has a bad skull and eagle but the red band comment is wrong." I was refuring to the first fez posted and not my fez. Just to clairify.
Dan H
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#31164
09/08/2009 01:19 AM
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The fez looks fine and the sweatband is okay as is the red stamped size...replaced fake insgnia...many maroon fez have had the insignia removed and they still turn up regularly sans insignia...as the prices rise steadily for red fez this alteration decreases...maroon fez without insignia sell for no more than $200 to $300 as insignia to restore will be between $600 and $800
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