#30806
06/17/2009 06:11 PM
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I think to clean them it is not necessary....
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#30807
06/17/2009 06:15 PM
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#30808
06/17/2009 06:16 PM
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#30809
06/17/2009 06:17 PM
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#30810
06/17/2009 06:18 PM
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#30811
06/17/2009 06:19 PM
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#30812
06/17/2009 07:27 PM
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At some point in time we have to decide an article is past the point of toning or nice patina and we're looking at crud which might also be causing damage. Personally I'd clean these two. Jim
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#30813
06/17/2009 07:27 PM
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Looks like you have some rare ones there my friend!!
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#30814
06/17/2009 07:51 PM
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If you leave that verdigres on the nickel fittings, it will etch the finish and scar the surface.
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#30815
06/17/2009 11:05 PM
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Moscow....hmmmm - my guess is nicotine patina.
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#30816
06/18/2009 12:45 AM
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There were two versions of the Carl Tillmanns maker mark. The smiling fox version like this one...
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#30817
06/18/2009 12:48 AM
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And the mouse-in-mouth version like yours...
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#30818
06/18/2009 03:20 PM
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I have some daggers also by some rare makers that were in the possession of heavy smokers also and I just put a little oil on the blade let is soak in then whipped off all the dirt with a soft cloth. Bill Rannow Minneapolis Minnesota Fine Japanese Swords & Antiques www.artswords.com AND Quality WWII German Militaria www.collectorsmilitaria.com
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#30819
06/18/2009 04:14 PM
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are you kidding how many bright shiny daggers we need.every one is like oh look lets clean this and look brand new.I would buy these over a shiny one any day of the week.Why because they have history and style.They speak there story yeah it will hurt the metal but not in our life time.So thats my take on it.
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#30820
06/18/2009 04:53 PM
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its not patina and the only history is one of neglect clean the gunk off before any more damage is done look at it this way would the original owners have walked around with such dirty daggers?
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#30821
06/18/2009 06:40 PM
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I,m with nick.They look awfull.Clean them now and save them some. Seiler (yank in uk)
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#30822
06/18/2009 08:39 PM
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JMO ... don�t clean them. There�s 75 years history on these items and to remove it, would be a shame
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#30823
06/18/2009 11:12 PM
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If they were mine I would clean the blades in a solution of hot water and ammonia and leave the rest as-is. If you shine up the fittings it will never look right because of the wear and corrosion on the scabbards.
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#30824
06/19/2009 01:56 AM
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Just oil the blades.If you clean them you cut down the sales prospect.You can always sell it to someone who likes too clean them .You won't be able to sell to someone who only buys uncleaned.It's been OK for 75 years it will be OK for 75 more.They are yours so you can drive nails with them.IMO
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
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#30825
07/30/2009 09:43 PM
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it would be a crime to clean off all that history, dont do it.
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#30826
07/30/2009 10:50 PM
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In another 75 years there will be nothing much left of these daggers if that grime is not removed. We are supposed to be caretakers of these pieces of history for future generations to enjoy owning just like we are at the moment. There is so much in the militaria World that is being lost forever because of this dont clean never clean attitude. If you dont harm the piece by cleaning then clean it and preserve it, so it lasts longer!!
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#30827
07/31/2009 09:40 PM
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This is difficult. You have some nice makers there but the condition may worsen without some care and attention. There are degrees of cleaning and I would not apply any polish at all to the fittings. I would simply wash the blade and fittings in hot water with some low alkaline soap. Then dry and ren wax the blades.
The wood could do with a little bee wax as could the scabbards. Do not take off any scabbard fittings but use a small toothbrush with soaped water, make sure all areas are dry.
Ren wax them and keep them safe.
Your choice.
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#30828
07/31/2009 09:50 PM
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oil the blades dont clean the patination off. store them in a nice dry place. i love dulled out fittings,
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#30829
08/02/2009 02:17 PM
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Hello This is a nice dagger .
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