#30537
12/11/2009 07:42 PM
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hello all.this thread isn`t one of my usual stamping grounds!
i`ve been approached by a friend of a friend, who`s grandfather has a ring. all he will provide his grandson, is the opportunity to photograph it, he won`t allow him to take it from the house!. so he has sent me these pics. there are only 3, but based on these, can/will anyone furnish an opinion as to the originality of this ring ? please.
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#30538
12/11/2009 07:43 PM
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#30539
12/11/2009 07:43 PM
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#30540
12/11/2009 07:45 PM
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and finally, the question , if it does prove to be original. what sort of value does it have?.
many thanks in advance guys.
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#30541
12/11/2009 08:04 PM
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the owners grandson says that the name and a date are clearly visible in the etching. he`ll get them tomorrow if he can.
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#30542
12/11/2009 10:53 PM
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Hard to say on a ring this worn and with fuzzy pictures to boot but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it. You need more and better pictures especially of the inside. Jim
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#30543
12/12/2009 04:52 AM
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ring looks ok from the fuzzy pics,,much of the value may lay in whose name is inscribed inside,that is,who it was presented to,,,
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#30544
12/12/2009 08:43 AM
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thanks so far fellas. i`ll get back to him today and see if i can get better pics and more details of the inscription.
thanks again.
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#30545
12/13/2009 03:10 AM
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The name looks like "Hartmann", might be an original but definitely get some good pics of the engraving.
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#30546
12/13/2009 11:38 PM
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I agree better photos are a must but this ring shows a lot of promise.
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#30547
12/15/2009 11:00 AM
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ok guys, i got more pics and info on the ring.
the name appears to be "Hermann" he thinks. and the date is "21-12-43".
i`ve posted the pics of the inscriptions below , as well as a couple more `general` photos.
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#30548
12/15/2009 11:01 AM
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12/15/2009 11:01 AM
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#30550
12/15/2009 11:02 AM
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#30551
12/15/2009 03:21 PM
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Pic of the ALL important "Himmler" signature as sharp as possible will seal it. Seiler (Yank in UK)
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#30552
12/15/2009 04:14 PM
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#30553
12/15/2009 05:30 PM
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Real or fake it is a mistake too buy one without Don Boyle's COA.
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#30554
12/15/2009 05:55 PM
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thanks for the responses so far chaps. the only pic he`s got , so far, which shows a part of the himmler signature is this one. not the best, but not being a militaria collector he had no isea what to photograph when he had the opportunity.
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#30555
12/15/2009 08:31 PM
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quote: Originally posted by zorro: Real or fake it is a mistake too buy one without Don Boyle's COA.
just to clarify. i`m not out to buy this ring, they aren`t my `thing`, and in any case the ring is not for sale. it`s just that the guy never even knew his grandfather had it, only recently , he mentioned it. said he took it from the finger of a man in a POW compound, along with another, which he lost during the war.
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#30556
12/18/2009 11:00 PM
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no further opinions from anybody based on the newer photos?. any help at all very appreciated.
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#30557
12/28/2009 07:03 PM
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anyone turn anything up on the name or date?. as i said, i`m just doing this as a favour for a friend`s friend. if, as seems to be the general `flow` on here, this is ok, what would be a rough ballpark value?, it`s not for insurance purposes, and it won`t be sold, but the old fella who owns is unsure of the real value, and refuses to believe that it may be worth more than a hundred or so!!. oh, and a slightly belated merry christmas to all on here!!.
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#30558
12/28/2009 07:09 PM
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i like it also, the date is known, and from the blurry pic the engraving appears ok, i agree about mr boyles approval though, that said he isnt the only chap that can do it, although he is very ,very well accepted, and is the best in the buisness,most wont buy without him.
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#30559
12/28/2009 07:18 PM
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"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
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#30560
12/29/2009 01:53 PM
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thanks for that guys.
and a happy new year!.
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#30561
01/05/2010 10:39 PM
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From the photos alone, I'd say you very likely have an original totenkopfring. The date is a little larger than most I've seen, but the rest of the inside engraving looks right. The "Himmler" signature on later rings usually looks thinner than the rest of the engraving on the ring. A 'hands-on" inspection on all rings is necessary, but I don't think you'll have any problems with this one.
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