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Hello,

I'm new here; this is my first post.

I have a broad range of historical interests, and am considering trying to acquire a number of examples of historical memorabilia from the 20th century. One of those items is an SS dagger. Consequently, I'm wondering if those of you with expertise in spotting fakes would please be so kind as to give me your opinion regarding the authenticity of the item displayed below... Thanks to all in advance for your kind assistance!

Here are a few additional images:

And the last two:

Would someone please be kind enough to comment on this? I would greatly appreciate it!
Likewise, if the absence of commentary is due to my having violated some protocol of some kind, would someone please let me know, either privately or publicly? I assure you that any such error on my part is unintentional.

Is there any kind of makers logo or RZM number on the dagger..and also the camera flash has washed out all detail of the dagger. try taking a few pics without the flash either with the use of indirect lighting or an outside photo on an overcast day. The blade looks to be in bad condition and the blade shoulders do not fit well to the crossguard. Is this an RZM type dagger. better photos please. Regards Larry

Larry,

Thanks for your input!

Unfortunately, the photos are not mine. Moreover, they are the only images I have of this item. So, other than these images, I don't know much about this dagger. That's why I was hoping that some of the keen-eyed members here, who doubtlessly know much more about this subject than I, would be able to offer some insight.

One question: Are there legitimate SS daggers out there with no maker mark on the blade, as seems the case with this one?

Chained ss daggers were made without a makers mark because eickhorn was the only maker.
Rod

Rod,

News to me that Eickhorn was the only maker of M1936 SS daggers. What leads you to make that conclusion?

Dave

Sorry Rod...I know that is not correct

Sepp

I was thinkiing there was originally a mekers mark to this but the corrossion at the ricasso has desgtroyed it.

I believe this dagger blade has too much damage to be seriously considered. There is a distinct difference between the condition of the grip and body, and the damage on the blade.

without better pictures I do not know how a person can buy this.

I also think that if you guys want to argue about who produced chained SS, you should start a new thread.

The dagger appears to be a later authentic RZM model. Although unmarked daggers are mostly associated with the M36 scabbard, you do occasionally find them in M33 scabbards. ,This is true for early and late models. The blade here might have been swapped, but perhaps not. If it was placed in the scabbard wet or damp, or some corrosive material was used on it and not cleaned off, such damage can occur. Also, condensation inside the scabbard can damage a blade. Unless the price is extremely attractive, I would look for one in better condition. A lot, of course, depends on the budget.

I must be wrong but I thought I read that the early chained ss daggers were unmarked and were only produced by eickhorn? I had a couple of unmarked chained daggers and was told they were produced by eickhorn!
Rod

Thanks to all of you for your input!

I would keep looking . Lots of good deals to be had these days .