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What about this SS dagger?

is it ok? ita has no makers mark or RZM, and no marking on the crossguard

/fredrik

Not an expert but '36 didn't come with MM if it did it would be a conversion '33.Top links look a little different

Ed,

I just bought a Type 1 Chained and am trying to learn as much as I can about SS daggers. In what way are the top links "a little different"? I really don't understand what you mean by that. Can you explain or be more specific? Thanks.
Ed

Hi Ed,

I'll be very interested in what the experts have to say but what I think the reference is to the two links that connect the clip to the two chains appear longer or larger than usual. They are usually more like the other connecting links which appear in the photos to be of a similar size and smaller than the two top links.

Hope this helps.

~ Ian

Go to Tom J site and look at '36 chained daggers.The top link is usually narrow at the connection or pinched in than the rest of the link.As I said no expert by any means and they may have come this way also.
Well to back up abit I just checked T.W. SS book and see they did make a link as shown.Sorry for the miss info.

All links look normal to me for a Type I. What I do see is an unusual stamp on the back of the clip that can be seen through the wotan knot. This should be "DRGM", but it looks like something else in the photo.

I did notice that as well and was wondering what it might read. It's hard to make out the letters.

I see that also, and something else. It looks to me like the the spring loaded catch component got "pushed" (for lack of a better term) in the direction of the arrow. Fred

The clip does have a different stamp in it. Still the dagger looks fine and proper for a Type I example.

I'm in agreement, as it looks like a proper "Type I" M 1936 to me as well. With perhaps some slight damage that was repaired/refurbished. With one area being on the backside top of the grip with what may be a small piece of wood that was spliced into the grip? It's not a certainty, just something that needs a closer/better look IMO because of the differences in the reflected light in the image. (From the left side of what looks like a line in the grip, to the right side.) And another one being the spring clip. Which seems that it may be slightly misaligned, and not touching the edges of the holes in the cloverleaf (on the backside). Which may also be why the coloration underneath the cloverleaf itself (front side) seems to be slightly different in the images than the adjoining surfaces. Best regards to all, Fred

What about the missing gruppe marking on the crossguard? I, II. or III? And it doesn't have a rzm marking? Who is the maker?

Best
Fredrik

Group, RZM markings and maker marks do not appear on factory produced SS chained daggers. This dagger is as it should be in that regard.

Looks like a keeper to me .

Who is the maker? is it Eickhorn?

/fredrik

The maker is unknown, but if the motto etch is particular to a certain maker, that would be a clue. I think you have an original dagger. It is of mid- to later production, having the plated cross guards. The chain looks fine to me and we must remember they were assembled by hand, thereby giving allowances for some minor deviation to the links. I own an M36 where only part of the DRGM shows through. I don't see your marking as a problem. It could just be a bad strike on the plate under the Wotan knot and it might not have been soldered exactly right. Most M36 models have no maker mark, nor district mark on the lower guard. Some owners placed their M33 daggers in M36 scabbards, which explains why such markings are seen on the daggers occasionally. Earlier daggers have nickel-silver fittings, most later ones have plated ones. The same is generally true of the scabbard fittings. Exceptions can be found. There is one variety of M36 that has SA markings on the lower guard. I know of no definitive reason for this. You have a very nice dagger.

From what I have observed, no motto etch is particular to any one maker ... and, ... no maker used one etch exclusively. And no maker of M1936 SS daggers has been identified by etches or any other means.

That dagger looks like the real thing.

Dave

Thanks

Is the link that connects the square part of the chain to the top scabbard fitting thinner in construction than the other links? I'm talking abot the one with the rough looking solder joint on it's back.4th picture down from the first pcture in the post.

Is it an early ss dagger or a late one?

/fredrik

... I've learned that on an original chain the right eye-hole of the skull (when you look at it) should be always a little bit deeper than the other one. This is not the case here imho. Maybe that's just me...

Best;
Hermann

From the photos, it appears to be a later example, with plated dagger and scabbard fittings.

but did the late ones have the type one chain
?

and on late ones there is only one skrew holding the mid section on the scabbard, mine has 2, like the early SS daggers