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Hi buddies, what do I deserve this bayonet I've seen for sale?
Of course this is pretty and well-preserved ... Is it original?



I appreciate your comments and all the data I can provide it, a greeting.

Yes, it real. Nice bayonet.

Gailen

IS possible the blueing on pommel and guard was renewed.

Hello

I feel the same as Andy.
Regards
Alain

How and the heck can you say that based on just these images????

Gailen

I think the original source is blued, for me it is a bayonet in excellent condition, forgive my ignorance, what belongs to this rifle bayonet?

For the 98k Mauser Rifle.

Gailen

Gailen thank you very much for your reply.

Because of quality of blueing on guard and pommel, the lock nut was reassembled as seen on press button part, same i believe the grips were dissasembled and the screw were reblued.Anyway a nice piece. But the blade blueing is great to compare with other parts.

If you don't mind me asking, where can I get the crystal ball your using??

Gailen

Not much different from the thousands of "tarted up" daggers IMO, the signs are there in the images that were posted, but admittedly not as clear and distinct as they could have been. Starting with the bayonet frog that looks to be "tarted up" with polish of some kind, the worn pommel/markings area look touched up to me, as well as some of the other parts. And if it's believed to be otherwise, then a prospective buyer should ask for some better photos of the areas that were mentioned to either confirm or disprove what was said. FP

Fred: With all due respect, I think it's unfair to the seller or buyer to have unfounded opinon raised on a piece like this without actually hands on examining it. Didn't even look at the frog. May I say that I consider you a fine writer and very knowledgeable and I'm in no way trying to start a range war over this bayonet.

Cordially Your,

Gailen

As stated before its very hard to determine if some parts have been altered from photos but Vassago did ask for opinions in his first post. I always like people who state what they think while being civil. Wish I had asked some questions on a couple of my purchases.

I guess your right.

Gailen

Gailen, There is no range war, and no offense taken. And while I have never personally met them. Over the years I've seen the work and opinions of Andy and Alain in dealing with Wehrmacht combat bayonets, so I know that they have some long term experience in dealing with them. And pictures from the Internet are not always the best way to evaluate something - but many times they are reasonably adequate in providing some kind of basis to answer a question or give an opinion. With one of the things that immediately attracted my attention being the area around bayonet catch release portion of the pommel, which at a minimum appears to be missing a lot of the blued finish with an abnormal appearance. So while the comparison image I'm posting is a limited part of an old one, taken at an angle for another purpose in direct mid-summer sunlight. It does show what that area should normally look like with a pair of reasonably intact original finish bayonets.

PS: I don't remember at the moment the purpose, but what I might have been trying to show was the differential in certain types of bluing with components that were done separately. Best Regards, Fred

Thanks to Fred P.for nice words, and his explanation, certainly there was asked our opinion, it was not mean bad, only my opinion was there are some problems with blueing, the bayonet is original and in good condition.But from the pictures that i saw i could only say the handgrip was probably cleaned and some blueing was repaired probably.Thats all.
As sample to guard - are the rivets should be not visible as this is a early piece, this raised by using of not good blueing method, because the rivets are other material of steel as the guard itself.

Here is a sample of well known Arnauds page, thats like should be blueing on early piece.
http://k98.free.fr/S155K-3358g.html

Gailen...glad you are coming on board with them ;-) much harder to find than daggers.

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