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TKissinger #277922 02/06/2013 11:19 PM
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Hi! This is my long firemen bayonet Rudolf Schimdt marked

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Nice Bayo, here is a photo of mine. Notice the difference of the position of the TM in relation to the buffer.


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TKissinger #277959 02/07/2013 06:06 PM
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Here is a nice TM

Friedrich Koch, Friedrichswerk

I know they produced some Army Officer daggers along with dress bayonets. There TM may have been on some other TR daggers but haven't seen them




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TKissinger #278156 02/13/2013 05:36 AM
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Here is another Geco for ya, solinegn stamped


Any other variants of Geco ppl are aware of?

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sturmbrigade #278163 02/13/2013 12:13 PM
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I've only seen 2 Geco variants, this one which is the same stylized logo Sturmbrigade shows, sans Solingen. Based on the picture, I'd say Sturm's example was marked Solingen separately as we see on so many other unmarked examples. This one is an early short model dual marked by Emil Voos.

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Billy G. #278164 02/13/2013 12:16 PM
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Here is the other, an etched Geco, Berlin. I believe all Geco marks are quite scarce with this one being less often encountered.

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Billy G. #278167 02/13/2013 04:02 PM
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This has been a great month for adding new Trade, Distributor marks to my list. Thanks for posting your Geco, you have a very nice variation.

I now have 280 Trade and distributor marks with variations recorded.


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TKissinger #278196 02/14/2013 02:58 PM
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Here's my GECO marked dress bayo (another variant), regards

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I find this bayonet puzzling. With the other variations of this TM that were done at the factory why would this one have there distributor name Geco stamped on the blade after it was plated?

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Any ideas on this.


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TKissinger #278200 02/14/2013 08:02 PM
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Hi Terry! I don't know what to say on this, as the bayo is stored I can't have a look on it now, will try to take out this weekend to make additional photos, indeed is not etched but stamped, as the Sturm & Billy G bayos seems to have the Geco trademark (1st variation) stamped (but the word Solingen seems to be factory made) maybe this distributor use to stamp his own logo on the bayos he sell. regards

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Hi Terry! I don't know what to say on this, as the bayo is stored I can't have a look on it now, will try to take out this weekend to make additional photos, indeed is not etched but stamped, as the Sturm & Billy G bayos seems to have the Geco trademark (1st variation) stamped (but the word Solingen seems to be factory made) maybe this distributor use to stamp his own logo on the bayos he sell. regards

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I also have two of the variations and here are a couple of photos of the two TMs. One does seem to be etched and the other stamped. If you notice the the stamped one has plating in the lower part of the letters. If you notice that when you stamp metal the displaced metal is pushed to the side. If this done prior to plating the raised area can be fixed. The one you have has that raised metal around the letters, so was stamped done post plating. I'm not saying that all bayonets stamped post plate are fakes. There are several authentic bayonets that were stamped post plate. You may be right and that Geco may have stamped some with there name. If we find more like yours with the same font of type it would help.



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TKissinger #278230 02/15/2013 10:20 PM
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Hello all,

I have been meaning to ask (and this is probably the right place to do it):
I am always looking for daggers with the rare Paul Seilheimer dog logo.
I managed last year to find a nice stag gripped bayo with that mark.

Is this a rare maker (specifically the dog mark) of bayos?

If anyone has an example, I would love to see them!

Thanks in advance,
Johnny


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Johnny V. #278240 02/16/2013 12:27 AM
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Here are the three I'm aware of. Of the three the dog version is a little harder to find.



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TKissinger #278276 02/16/2013 06:10 PM
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Fantastic!
Thank you!


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Johnny V. #278295 02/17/2013 02:56 PM
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Hi! Take this new photos, IMO the rivets are clearly unmessed so I guess the mark is period, made at the factory or not I don't know but may this distributor marks himself the blades he sell, also comparing with the 1st Geco mark (Sturm & Billy's bayo) it seems to be stamped as well. Inspected at hand the logo seems to be plated inside the letters, hope the photos put some light on this, best regards

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Nacho Garcia #278297 02/17/2013 05:33 PM
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I appreciate the new photos of your Geco mark. I took liberty with one of your photos and cleaned it up and drew a line under the name. As you can see the letters aline perfectly. If you are stamping with individual stamps this is almost impossible to do with out a fixture to align the letters plus the space between the letters seem to be correct. And if you are stamping each letter one letter may be stamped heaver or lighter than another. The stamp in my opinion had the complete name on it. The displaced metal on your last photo is very light. With out in hand inspection its hard to say if it was done at the factory or later. But I am leaning towards it being factor stamped.


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TKissinger #278298 02/17/2013 06:09 PM
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Thanks for your effort in cleaning and analizyng the Geco mark, seeing it at hand the displaced metal is much less perceptible than in the photos, after your analisys I'm inclined to a late factory stamp

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Nacho Garcia #278513 02/24/2013 03:03 AM
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Here is one that Fisher thinks is a Rau and Koch, Messerschmiede. I sent him a photo that appears in his sixth edition. I have seen two or three of these bayonets, the one I own also has a distributor mark (Eckhard, Hanau) on the reverse side. Does any one have a later version of his TM book. I was wondering if he has added any thing to this TM. Has anyone seen this TM on any other TR daggers. I think Eckhard of Hanau were hat makers.


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TKissinger #278686 03/02/2013 05:45 PM
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I need help on this one. I know the TM is Herm. Konejung, A.G. Stahlwarenfabrik, Solingen but the Germany at the bottom of the TM probably makes it post war, which for me is still collectable. Has anyone seen this TM on a dress bayonet before,






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TKissinger #278698 03/02/2013 11:50 PM
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Terry: Nothing new for Rau & Koch in Fisher's 7th Edition.

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We all know the TM ACS, but late in the war is was changed to AWS, this TM is rare on Dress Bayonets. I have only seen photos of this TM on a dress bayonet



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