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JR #273617 11/08/2012 10:09 PM
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There is a big difference between what a dealer wants and what the seller actually desired.
There are reasons why the price went down, it just didn't sell at $ 5500 USD on the dealer's web site and you don't know what the consignee wanted from Joe Penkowsky.
I bought another SS dagger from Joe 2 years ago at the Max and I was suspicious as it was way cheap.
The dagger was fine and I immediately resold it to Paul Hogle ( at a profit may I say ) and it immedialtely sold on his web site. The dagger was perfectly fine also.

It doesn't mean because you are getting a good deal that the artifact is questionnable, does it ?

You are only angry because you didn't get it in the first place.
You were supposed to buy that dagger but lost sight of it after the consignee pulled the dagger out from Kris's web site.
You then realised after the Max ( 2 weeks later ), that I had bought the exact same dagger that you wanted to buy in the first place. Funny coincidence but it is a small world out there.
You perfectly know that the dagger is fine and untouched but as usual, you enjoy discrediting other people's artifacts. You've done it with me and with many others.
Don't know if you need all that BS for your own personal ego but you are a small person in every sense of the word. Please, don't insult me by claiming that you are trying to help, we don't believe you Sir, we know you.

Here what you said after getting involved in the SS ring fraud 2 years ago " I'm leaving the hobby,
I sold most of everything, I've lost the love for it, I'll still come to the shows to visit my friends ". I can reply one thing ............... JUST DO IT !

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By the way, you still haven't given any proof that the blade was retouched and if I can count right, everyone is in favor that the blade is fine ........... except you Sir, but hey, we don't have your experience and we are no Guru.

What a laugh ! cry

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Got some news from Joe Pankowsky and here what he says.


" Joe stated unequivocally that the blade had not been buffed, polished or re-crossgrained. That only some scratches were present.

Joe further informed me that if I , or any other buyer, would want to return the dagger for a refund he would be more than happy to do so as he is that confident in the piece ".

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I really don't know what is going on here...all I ask is can anyone, JR or anyone else please help me to understand how one polishes a blade or enhances crossgraining without affecting either the motto or trademark? Please?????? How is that possible to the extent alledged here...?? I have seen many restored, repolished and re crossgrained blades and in every single case it was very obvious. I do not see that on any pictures posted here, either by JR or Patrice. It is easy to remove much of the runner marks and spotting, greying etc with some old fashioned elbow grease and to my mind that is perfectly ok and does not affect the originality of the blade. cheers, Ryan

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Ryan... easy answer... you can't.

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WOW!~ I see no repolish here. Even if JR is right, why would someone repolish the blade and then sell it for a lesser price? Makes no sense to me.
Barring any questions, why doesn't Pat ask Joe P. for his money back? I am sure Joe will be glad to buy it back with all this publicity and someone on the forum will be more than happy to give Joe a profit. Joe is well known to be a straight dealer and will always turn a piece rather than hold out for the top dollar.
The parts will be worth more than the whole piece if we believe it to be contaminated by refurb as some state here.


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Wow, Everyone thinks JR is some kind of SS expert, Well guess what I sold a parts dagger to him some years ago and his reply was thanks for the awesome dagger! And I know it was a parts dagger because I made the dagger.

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Originally Posted By: Ronald Weinand

Barring any questions, why doesn't Pat ask Joe P. for his money back? I am sure Joe will be glad to buy it back with all this publicity and someone on the forum will be more than happy to give Joe a profit.


Ron... perhaps you should read Pat's post above...

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Originally Posted By: reds12
Wow, Everyone thinks JR is some kind of SS expert, Well guess what I sold a parts dagger to him some years ago and his reply was thanks for the awesome dagger! And I know it was a parts dagger because I made the dagger.


Regardless of what anyone thinks of JR, I would hope that you informed him that you sold him a parts dagger. Otherwise, you are just another lowlife here.

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Ron, Pat is quite happy with the dagger, as he should be...Reds...I agree with Skyline Drive, not disclosing a parts dagger is wrong and to gloat about it is worse. JR has contributed much to this forum, regardless of this "blip" no "expert" self proclaimed or otherwise would be able to detect a perfectly assembled parts dagger. I have no issue with them, whether assembled wartime, post war or a Heer with a replaced handle or blade. Some fellows are purists however and it is up to individual taste...some guys don't collect or want anything that has been "enhanced" regards, Ryan

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The most energy seen on the SS forum in many months. Even got this old boy's blood going. Gary

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I have known Pat since he started collecting daggers. He studied daggers and did his homework. If I had any doubts about a dagger, I would check with him. I see no problem with this SS dagger.


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Originally Posted By: gary r jarva
The most energy seen on the SS forum in many months. Even got this old boy's blood going. Gary


Yes welcome back JR (said in fun and no disrespect to anyone intended)

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Originally Posted By: vintagetimenow
IF blades can be restored to look like this, then I'm going to start buying some beater daggers to send in for a refurb job. It looks good to me, in these pictures at least.



Me Too ! ! I want to know who is that Wizard who does these screamer 'zipps'. Can he can do a 'zipps' on my Klaas? I'll put in the order that I want it 'zipped' to 'Patrice Quality'. laugh




-but then there maybe too many zipped Klaas SS daggers on the market...I think I may keep her like she is...for the fanatic. grin

Pat, I hope you don't mind me adding a touch of humor in here.

-Serge-

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Serge, call it crazy but I see as much beauty in that been there dagger as a mint example. jmo

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Gentlemen,

Thank you all for your many messages of support in this non sense saga. This is what happen when someone is acting out from greed and jealousy.

I sincerely hope that JR will learn a lesson from all this.

No hard feelings but we will never be having a beer together. grin

Case closed for me.

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This has been interesting to watch and I have stayed out of it until now.

I do think it is the same dagger from the various small scratches and marks on both and it is in top shape. I don't see obvious signs of anything except maybe a coat of rennwax on the grip. I don't see that the blade needed any upgrading looking at the original photos.

It seems that the argument in favor of the blade being zipped* rest ONLY on a price reduction on the dagger from $6500 to $5500 then to an eventual sale price of $3800. No "before vs after" pictures showing blade changes are offered. I see the same blade photographed under different light by different photographers. Nor, despite prompting by knowledgeable men like Serge, has any explanation been offered of how such a feat could be accomplished.

Great condition agreed but $6500 or $5500 was too much for a Klass. $4500 would be my guess of top retail by a knowledgeable buyer. $3800 was a bargain. I would have bought it had I seen it.

So, JR, if you have proof of monkeying with the blade, please show us. Until then, a bargain price is not proof of of chicanery.

Regards, Dave

* What does zipped mean?


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JR ?

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Dave is right about a good price not necessarily bringing into question an item's authenticity. Most of us are aware of the "sucker price" routine and the age-old saying, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is." Neither should be ignored and, certainly, a bit of extra scrutiny is called for when a bargain is found. But, bargains do exist for a variety of reasons, especially in today's market. The key is to know your stuff and, if possible, your seller. A return privilege is comforting, but being knowledgeable and confident can save a ton of time, heartburn and, maybe, money.

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looks like a lovely dagger to me.Why it ended up in a stack of daggers and well below its value, who knows? But it is strange.
The tone of the thread is a bit wrong, JR has always been top notch towards me, and I know others.
Dave- I don't think JR will reply, he did say it was his final word on it after all. Probably worried it turned in to more of a slanging match and that can lead to worse problems....


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Originally Posted By: Skyline Drive
Do you think this one is also re-grained?

Sorry for my late reply,Mike.
I never doubt on the entire dagger!The main concern was the pic i've shown.The cross grain looks a bit too rough/ raw,to me.Also the center ridge. But it could also the light or angle of the pic.
And No,i don't think your one is re-grained. smile

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Gerd

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