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Originally Posted By: Ronald Weinand
What I am saying in this thread is that Pack had several variations concerning Trademark, distances and letter bending or placement among originals. Pack made too many original variations to make blanket statements like the trademark is too far from the crossguard or the inscription is too far down the blade.
Packs must be assessed in hand.
So, Recall Pat, comparing your "original" to all other Pack Roehms is not a valid method (just my opinion).
Ron again you are mistaken.You don't think I already know the items you brought up? Just like another dagger you did not care for on another site.Did I go off on you "Not Impressed" statement even though I know you are absolutely wrong about it,but you are intitled to youf opinion without being insulted..Pat wanted to see my Roehm that I had 100% confidence and did not think I could produce it again he was mistaken so off to plan B Insults as most people in the wrong do.P.S Stingray I took a quick look at the latest pictures and like what I see,other than the first dagger blade looks very polished almost buffed.I hope it has some crossgrain on it.

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What is really being accomplised here?????? I'll say it one more time, You are not going to absolutely authenticate an Pack on here unless it is one of the poorly done fakes. Ron has,in so many words, said the same thing. You may post an opinion but you can't authenicate it based on images. When you attermpt do this you are not only casting doubt on a piece that may be correct but you are causing the owner undue hardship. Please consider this.

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Well said Gailen, it is unfair to pronounce an item as "incorrect" without absolute certainty and with substantive proof. This hobby need not be so devisive....it is only a hobby guys, not to mention Christmas and Thanksgiving are coming...life is too short...cheers to all, Ryan

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Originally Posted By: stingray
And here is one more partial ground Rohm from my collection just to show different TM


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That's the same trade mark as my fully erased


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Originally Posted By: sellick8302@rogers.com
Well said Gailen, it is unfair to pronounce an item as "incorrect" without absolute certainty and with substantive proof. This hobby need not be so devisive....it is only a hobby guys, not to mention Christmas and Thanksgiving are coming...life is too short...cheers to all, Ryan
Only a hobby!As you should well know it is way beyond a hobby.Did trusting a big names not cost you alot of money? The point of being the devils advocate is so you can study certain aspects closely if you are thinking about buying an ltem before pulling the trigger.On another site a chained SS was shown asking for opinions,many different points were made about it before I got in early and pointed out that it was missing a couple skull and SS rune links alomg with other major problems.I hope I did not offend him pointing out the major problems .I am not infalible. Is that humbile enough?Geeeeeeeez.

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Zorro, please show a little respect for other Member's opinions. You can certainly disagree, but be polite. Thanks.


EP&S SA daggers are difficult as Pack had more variation in trademarks and spacing, etc, than any other, as mentioned above. I know that TW has photographed many examples for his SA book, so maybe that will answer questions.

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Yeah Zorro I got "screwed" for $7000 yet there isn't as much "passion" in those relative posts as there are in yours over Rohm daggers and what have you...Hey no one is infallible and we are all far from perfect in this hobby of ours and we make mistakes.....I just made a major one the other day on a very rare and expensive piece of headgear and I prided myself on my self prophessed knowledge and expertise in that arena...oh well....but no one got screwed over it and no one did here either...these are just differences of opinions...impassioned as they may be...at the end of it both you and Patrice have the same best interests at heart so the creation of ill feelings, in my opinion is just plain obtuse and dumb! and for the record I never asked anyone to show humility...I could car less....cheers, Ryan

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Originally Posted By: Dave Hohaus
Zorro, please show a little respect for other Member's opinions. You can certainly disagree, but be polite. Thanks.


EP&S SA daggers are difficult as Pack had more variation in trademarks and spacing, etc, than any other, as mentioned above. I know that TW has photographed many examples for his SA book, so maybe that will answer questions.

Dave rest assured you will never have too deal with my unpoliteness again.BUY AMERICAN!


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[/quote]Dave rest assured you will never have too deal with my unpoliteness again.BUY AMERICAN! [/quote]


You will not be missed if you can't take the pressure.

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Shouldn't be any preasure. This suppose to be a pleasant experience.

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Originally Posted By: zorro
Originally Posted By: Dave Hohaus
Zorro, please show a little respect for other Member's opinions. You can certainly disagree, but be polite. Thanks.


EP&S SA daggers are difficult as Pack had more variation in trademarks and spacing, etc, than any other, as mentioned above. I know that TW has photographed many examples for his SA book, so maybe that will answer questions.

Dave rest assured you will never have too deal with my unpoliteness again.BUY AMERICAN!
Members I can't deal with the screaming fans. No-more live shows,all studio work.Feel free to PM for any questions or concerns. Happy Thanksgiving. BUY AMERICAN! "Z"

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Let me say that TW and I, over the years, have had many heated discussions about Rohm daggers. Sometimes we agree and other times we didn't. Chalk that up to how tough some of these daggers are. Even with a combined ninty years experience between us we don't agree on some of these examples. I don't think any one book is going stop this. But knowing that the written word many times becomes gospel, it may legitimize pieces I don't agree on and many that I do. That's The way the hobby is and will continue to be.

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Something I think needs saying. There are few in the hobby whose given so much back to the collector than Thomas Wittmann. The books he has published on Edges weapons are superb. I don't know if many of you realize that he puts up the money on these books and in most cases it takes years for him to even break even. His writing style makes the books a pleasure to read. We've know each other for almost a half a century and have often talked of our first meeting where I beat him out of a chained SS at one of the early shows. We have had some terrible fights where we didn't talk to each other for long periods of time. But in the end we always made up.

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Got to agree with Gailen. Tom Wittman is a true gentleman. And rohn daggers are a challenge.Missed you at the Max this year Gailen. See you at the SOS.


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Rick: I don't know about that "gentleman" thing. grin

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Stingray, can you please tell me if the tang on the Rohm in question, the 1st one posted is marked?
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I’m in agreement with a lot of what was said, and would offer what I was told some time back by a well known blade maker whose company was in business long before WW I. The etching templates were of an acid resistant wax, and he sent me an example which I (may or may not) still have, and the correspondence that is probably filed away somewhere. Being made (from memory) in batches by something like a silk screen process and stored away until needed. With the wax etching mask being applied to a slightly warm blade so that it adheres well, forming a good seal to keep the acid etchant away from the areas that were to be protected.

Followed up by an artisan to correct any defects in the mask application before etching. Which is where the human element comes in. As these were not machine made, but done one at a time by people of different abilities and changing circumstances. FP

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Interesting, Fred. I had always wondered exactly how it was done. Thanks for posting.

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Interesting, Fred. I had always wondered exactly how it was done. Thanks for posting.

Grumpy, I'm glad that you liked it. At the time I had been wondering about it myself, and if I'm remembering it correctly there was even a description about how they eliminated or minimized the "pimples" in the etching. Best Regards, Fred

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