UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum Weltersbach Full Rohm SA HELP!

Hi gang!

I have been presented this dagger for sale. I'm however having trouble finding out if this maker ever made Rohm pieces. Any input would be appreciated.

Matt

The MM looks high for a Roehm dagger but others can chime in on the maker.

Weltersbach not a name I associate with Rohm daggers looks to me like someone spoilt a good SA here.In a recent thread MaCSARR mike eluded to there being other Rohm makers other than those listed by Fisher and Siegert in there books but didn't say who.Perhaps Wittman's SA book if it ever sees the light of day may give more info on the subject

I have a list of the 16 Rohm makers and this maker isnt on my list, but as they "say never say never," i have 2 Rohm daggers and have to say the Ernst Rohm signture on the dagger shown here looks a little different to mine.
Someone else will know more to be sure.

Regards
Adam

Dr Mike: Can you give us an opinion on this ?

I agree with AJ as Weltersbach is not a known maker of Rohm daggers. The inscription and logo are not the same in etching quality the logo is darker than the inscription,,( 4th and 5th photo ) as both would of been applied at the same time during the etching process. I feel this is a good early SA with a fake inscription. Larry

Matt this is not a known maker of Rohm daggers so the marketability of this is very difficult. Even if you have solid unshakable proof of originaity it will always be a tough piece to sell. Today collectors are demanding textbook pieces.
Ok having said that a couple red flags for you to consider. This may just be the pics but... The maker mark looks to be deeper and darker and less presice (sp?) than the Rohm dedication. This is indicative that the inscription has been added later in the blades life.
I would consider passing.
Paul

Siegfried and Paul H are right on.

I have never seen a Rohm by Weltersbach, so this would have to be that rare,one-of-a-kind piece to be valid. The "etchings" look different as to color and depth. I think conclusive proof could be obtained by looking at the etchings under high power magnification (100-200 power)- this would most likely show the Rohm to be laser "etched", with very smooth edges. This tool will become indispensible in the future for proper analysis of the Acid vs Laser question for serious SA/SS collectors and dealers.Even the MM looks a little ragged, but this is NOT a laser MM. Agree that the MM is too high for a Rohm. Mike

Thanks guys!

The seller also had a bad SS Himmler as well... I can create a thread on it as well.

Yikes!

Gentleman
Another observation!!!!
Noticed the whole inscription is below the blade center ridge line and on all others I have seen the complete inscription is pretty-well centered on the blade center ridge line.
If all else was correct.
We should also consider things happen during the production process, so lets assume originally the mask used for the etching could have slipped down slightly from the center-line of the blade before the acid was applied and it was not noticed until the process was completed.Now you have a completed blade with a etching that is slightly below the normal accepted standards as far as location goes, all else is OK, perhaps knowing the "to date cost-value" already invested in this blade & the possibility that deliveries/deadlines of certain quanity's needed to be met perhaps I would bet the blade would not have been thrown out but probably would have been used as is????
Know way to ever know????????????
Just my thoughts.I like to always keep a open mind.
michael