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#268084 07/21/2012 01:43 PM
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A friend of mine found this- Damascus blade- St Ann, potapee, gold dedication for bravery- Would appreciate opinions- Mike

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What a wonderfull sword !!! Looks 100% correct to me !!! Have you gone to the other side of collecting now ?


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nice!!
,,to a Christian , St. Anne 4th class.. Pretty rare piece, your friend is very lucky!!

oh yeah,,you probably have enough info to research this soldier!

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What does the I/II between the 19 and the 17 mean? Mike

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What do you think it's worth? Mike

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More than your Artur Melcher SA

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http://rosgenea.ru/?alf=23&serchcatal=%D6%FE%EC%E0%ED%E5%ED%EA%EE&r=4

Tsyumanenko Ivan Efimovich (1875.03.29, Taganrog - 1955.05.12) Taganrog Cloud County. troops of the Don, from the middle class. He graduated from the Taganrog 4 great mountains. School (1892) and Tiflis Infantry. Junker School (1897). Lieutenant (since 1897). Lieutenant (1900). Captain (1905). Captain (1913). Lieutenant Colonel (1915). Colonel (1916, in 1918). Major-General (of BW from 1919.07.13 to 1919.01.08 st.s and enlisted. To arm. Corps Com. 192 Rymniksky peh.polka (18.06-1917.10.11). Loss in vacation in Turkestan, from which the regiment did not return. Setup. 2 Orenb. School Warrant (before dissolution of the school 1918.01.12). in Nar. A. - com. a brigade of 5 Orenb. RD (1918). Prev. two commissions for the development of BP. rules of the organization and service in the Nar. A. (from 1918.08.07). Bp. and. early on. 5 Orenb. RD (12-1918.12.24). Buzuluk group commander of the South-Zap.armii (Buzuluk front, to 1918.11. 09). Setup. 2 Syzran RD (06-09.1919). Ouch. article. Ice campaign. gene. for assignments in the Far Eastern headquarters. A. (1920). in exile - in China (since 1920 - in Harbin, from 1932 - in Shanghai). worked as a teacher. Vice-representation. 2 Eng. club (from 1938.12.02). Prev. Section Education Eng. emigrant committee (1940.11.05). He moved to Australia (between 2MB). mind. in Brisbane (Australia). Awards: sv.Stan. third metro and b., sv.Stan. 2nd metro station (1915), St. Anna 4th st.s leg. <for bravery > (1915), sv.Vl. 4th subway station, and b., St.Anne third metro and b., St.Anne 2nd metro station, sign ex. Military. order <over the Gr. article. trip> (1920.09.25).

IMHO the sword doesn't Honor but present.
The inscription ot the blade reads:
to colonel I Tsyumanenko from the oficers from Rymniksky regiment


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Great information Pesho - is there an available book that lists information like you quoted ? I've been doing some researh on some Russian medals but have been stimied by a lack of unit information over here in the US. ALso does the sword look original to you ? I've seen several similar swords but none have had a damescene blade. Finally, can you place an approximate value on the sword ?


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TO AJ - maybe not at the price he has been charging on his daggers lately - he's like Gottlieb on steriods !!!


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Nice pesho!!,,

Mike all depends where and who your going to market it too!,,Pretty sure its for Feb. the 2nd 1917

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Iím not specialist of Russianís edge weapon, but I donít like this sword.
Many red flags: missing masterís mark, poor steel-engraving, not gold gilding etc.
Just for comparison one original sword and I believe itís very interesting story.


ďThe firm "Schaff and Sons", St. Petersburg, 1909-1917 gg. Steel, copper alloy, wood, leather, enamel. Forging, stamping, assembling, etching, engraving, polishing, gilding, enamelling. The total length of 905 mm in a sheath. Length without sheath 900 mm. Blade length 767 mm. Blade Width 33.5 mm. On the heel of the blade stamp of the firm "SHAF SONS St. Petersburg." On Garde brand firm "SHAF Sya SPB" Like AN Kulinsky number 231. This sword is a very rare example of the officers of arms, made famous by the St. Petersburg Armory, served the Court and the Imperial Guard. With expert opinion Rossvyazokhrankultura certified expert on cultural values. Expert opinion is registered in Rossvyazokhrankultura. In 1996, this sword was presented by Alexander Vasilyevich Korzhakov, who was then at the head of the Presidential Security Service of Russia - the famous star of American pop music - Michael Jackson. But as in the Russian Federation has a law prohibiting the export of cultural property, dating back over 100 years, she was detained at the Russian customs and remained in Russia. Dragoon officer's saber, model 1881/1909 years. "Anna's arms" for valor. "
450 000-600 000 p. / 15 000-20 000 $Ē

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I would like to hear the swords pedegree, if possible.

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I guess there are different degrees in quality and adornment on these [?]..
But with all the excellent copies out there I guess pedigree/provenance will come into play..

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I'm sorry, but to me it looks to be a recently made sword. Casting pits, relatively unworn gold lettering, the overall quality of the workmanship. The things that pesho mentioned - etc. IMO it would not even pass for a standard period officer's sword - much less an Honor Sword. (I also don't care for the sword knot.) FP



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