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#265719 06/04/2012 03:12 AM
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There is as stated a "porcelain Hitler presentation portrait in it's original frame"? for sale on a dealers website which has been up for sale for a very long time. I'm curious. Would anyone know the reason why it's being presented as a presentation piece? Is it pure speculation or is there actual evidence to support this statement and presented to whom, because I see no dedication on it?

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Forgot the link,so here it is. Porcelain Hitler Presentation Portrait

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Mikee,

As far as I'm aware the Rosenthal company produced two types of W. Exner's plaques, Hitler and Göring. I've never seen or heard of any others..? These were for sale to the public market in general and certainly may have been given as awards, prizes and/or special gifts on occasion, however, without a written inscription on the back or an engraved nameplate on the front, the word "presentation" is something of an overstatement or flat-out faux pas.

A case of too much schmalz or simply the wrong choice of words? Either way, I see no indication this was a presentation of any kind. wink

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Bill

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Bill,

Thank you, exactly my point and to what I know as well. Rosenthal throughout there existence created a series of these porcelain plaques, from well known individuals to animals, etc. And as we know the public could purchase them. There must be a better reason why it was described as such without a clear explanation because I'm sorry to say it seems so blatant? The frame looks like the ones used for this series and others, but is it actually original to this piece or was it added later? Now I must question it all!



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The stickers on the back of the plaque are post war Rosenthal marks a crown with what looks like to me crossed cue sticks. ( Obviously a sign of a mispent youth. ) The Pre 45 Rosenthal marks were a crown and crossed roses.
A fine porcelain plaque from Rosenthal would have glossy over glaze.
Just my opinion.


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I believe the marks are correct for this piece. They used a few different marks with crown above crossed swords dated prior to 1900 and continued, to name a few different ones such as,RC Bavaria,Rosenthal Selb-Bavaria and Rosenthal Kronack-Germany.

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Forgot to add that the factory gold paper/foil label looks right as well and not always did they use a underglaze mark. An overglaze mark I would have concerns.Thanks

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SRay,

I have to agree that the manufacturer's labels/stickers look absolutely fine. From originals I've looked at I'd expect to see an unglazed, bisque-finish on the reverse of both A.H. and Göring plaques by Rosenthal. An 'overglaze' back there would kill this deal for me...

I don't think Mikee or I are trying to imply Craig's example isn't authentic, it's just a bad choice of words describing it as a "presentation-item." Mr. Gottlieb has been in this hobby long enough to know the difference when making the statement or claim, "presentation..." At least this is how I interpret Herr Mike's inquiry..?

Good collecting!

Bill

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Bill,
Exactly my meaning and concur with everything said. Thank you amigo.


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