UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum SA high leader need help

Ron, I think my REAL Problem with it is that that Dagger, Like it is, sold for close to 20K!! Here is Mine! and I would not think of asking even Half that for it, if I chose to sell it. It has Problems, Admittedly, but come on 20K!!
Which one do you think would make a nicer display? Given their respective Problems, you have to admit that is all either one is good for. Just My Humble Opinion! RG88































RG88

Oh, I forgot! and Mine would even go with the Case!!

BTW-THIS IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED, IN ANY WAY, AS AN OFFER TO SELL, TRADE, OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF THIS ITEM! SO DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, DAVE

How about a close up of the TM on your dagger?

Sure Ron, Here you go! BTW, My last comments were not directed at you, or really anyone in particular. Just a request for some Opinions. RG88

RG88:

Do not take this as a criticism, but I was under the impression that Honor SAs, like SSs and NSKKs, were all Eickhorns.

Very interesting.

John

With all respect, the crossguards do not not have a design that is accepted as authentic for the period. The "Luneschloss" blade is a well-known postwar copy, probably of "artificial" damascus, rather than the real thing. "Maidenhair" true damascus is the norm for authentic blades. Period daggers of this type were produced only by "Eickhorn."

Hey railgun:
Where does the line form as I'd like to get some serious money for this one!!
I think I've got an Atwood COA* for it somewhere!
*No! That's NOT a Certificate of Authenticity it's a Certificate of Audasity which he certainly had.
Jim

I'll even throw in the genuine post war cufftitle with it!!
Jim

Railgun, no disrespect, but if you think this SA Honor of yours is real, I am afraid you have been railroaded. Bad blade, bad center band, bad chain and crossguards. The case is not period either. JMO,
Ron Weinand

HELLLLLLO,,Everybody who is throwing comments needs to go back and READ the whole thread!!! I NEVER contended that mine is Real!! I just said it is not so far removed from the one originally posted. When you Reupholster a dagger it is NO LONGER Original! ie. SEE ABOVE " I feel better about mine now, it is an Original with a reproduction blade and Crossguards" Don't any of you people READ? I guess my comments were completely over the heads of most of you! Irony?????? Sarcasm????

RG88

Sure (WE) read.. A few posters missed what you had said before. But the later poster Ron W. is correct about the other problems that you do not list..... Please, I don't understand how you find so much high end reproduction stuff be it fez, luft General hats, Navy honor dagger, and SA high leaders (although there is alot out there). Yes through the forum people try to educate you being very honest and truthful. But you need to also buy books and many of them.. Johnson's Ron W. , Wittmann's Manfred Sachse (damascus Steel book) these are basic.... One picture can save you thousands!!
Now it is true your SA has a bad blade and cross guards but it does not stop there. You ask for input here and with visor hats on another thread and it seems collectors here do give you answers. I know it is not always what you want to here but I hope it saves you money...
It is amazing what prices of some daggers bring ,Yes even if the scabbard has been restored... as the dagger that started this thread... I remember I almost bought a Early SA honor (type with no chain) from Bob Moses It was $20,000.00 about 12- 14 years ago.. And that was a good price for that dagger. I had too many irons in the fire.. Regards: James

Hi James, It seems you answered your own question! The stuff you see me post for Opinions is very high end stuff. The fact is That I do Read, and have an extensive collection of Books dating back to the early sixties, when I got into this stuff! Although I did not have the Damascus book you reffered to, but it is on the way. You won't find me asking questions about common daggers or whatever. A lot of the stuff I throw up on here is stuff that many of the newer collectors have never seen,"in the flesh". I truly believe that this forum could be used for educational purposes, if it was allowed. But it seems I have to take a bunch of flak every time I post something. But I am pretty thick skinned and willing to take it. Virtually all of the stuff I post WILL be questionable. The reason I post them is not only to get information for myself, since most of it is so rare that I may have only seen a few examples, and the reference material is kind of sketchy about most of them. I am sure a lot of the newbies have Never seen any! I truly value and appreciate the level of expertise of some of you guys and I feel that it should be used to educate NOT just the guys who are always posting on here, but the multitude of people who lurk and never post. They are here to learn what they can about this stuff. As to where I get all this High end Repro stuff, Most is not technically repro, but parts pieces. I know a lot of Old Timers who picked up this stuff back in the heyday when the only pieces that were worth any REAL money were the very high end items which made it profitable for guys like Atwood, and others which won't be named, to produce them. But now, when a newbie could be clipped for Tens of Thousands of dollars by one. I feel like they should be seen and discussed. Don't you? So please just take my postings for what they are worth and try to answer my questions and I would greatly appreciate it, as I am sure lots of others out there, we don't know about, will. I will put up my soapbox now.

James, I DO appreciate your answer. It is not my intention to seem abrasive, to anyone, in some of my comments, but sometimes it seems that it is impossible to get a response without "kicking the cage" around here a little bit. And, for the most part, it IS always EXACTLY what I want to hear

Many Thanks RG88

HI John Z, Just wanted to say that your understanding is absolutely correct. ALL Real High Leader blades were Made by Eickhorn. I posted the picture of the maker mark under the impression that it was already understood that this blade was Bogus! RG88

Just a short note. Can you please tell me where you are buying the (English) Manfred Sachse Book (Damascus Steel) Regards: James

Jim M. Just so you know! That is NOT an Atwood Fake. It is an Early Marco reproduction from Spain, around the early seventies. They were available in the boxes as a Diplomatic, SS, SA, and a Goring "honor" dagger. They did not come with the Artificial Damascus Blade except for the "Goring" dagger. The blade on yours is one of the ones sold by Rex Reddick at about the same time period. RG88

James, I found one on E-bay. Ray

Jim M..I had to go dig around in my pile a little bit. But here is the scabbard that would have come with the Marco fake instead of the one you have.







RG88

Ray, Don't forget to order the book now... Regards: James

Could be RG88:
But I've seen two period SS High Leader daggers over the years with the same scabbard as the one that came with mine.
Jim

Hello guys; just only to say I'm one of the people who 'lurks' in here and I'm very happy for having people like you giving us this acumulated over the years knowledge, so THANKS A LOT for this incredible thread. I have also a Marto (not Marco RR88) SS Himmler dagger and is a beauty! it als hasmany details that doesn't match with the original but I don't care, it's juas a fake and is OK, regards

Hey Nacho:
How about posting some pictures.
Jim

Nacho, you are correct on the Marto, not Marco, Thanks for the correction! Also, MANY Thanks for the confirmation on my efforts! It is nice to hear that I don't take the pummeling just to see my thoughts in print. I KNEW there were a lot of guys out there watching! RG88

Jim M. "I've seen two period SS High Leader daggers over the years with the same scabbard as the one that came with mine."
Jim, you are correct if you are talking about PERIOD daggers, I was only talking about the Marto Repros. RG88

Thanks for the clarification RG. I don't think mine is a Marto and it appears that some of the parts are genuine.
Jim

To RRGG: I'm happy to hear this from you, every single time I get into this forum I learn something new, for me is like a big live book about Blankwaffen, I enjoy it a lot!
For Jim: Here are a couple of photos of my Marto Himmler dagger, if you compare with an original almost everything is wrong: the crossguards, the maker's mark, the entire scabbard...but I like it a lot, it's a high qualty item, even has a good crossgraining. After all I never will be able to has a real one so, why not. Also this repro daggers by Marto are very well priced here in Spain (selled as repros, not originals) they are in the 250-400� depending of the model and the condition, they are not easy to find, in fact I never aw other like mine on sell. Best regards.

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