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Hi all, here is my black dagger. All early nickel silver  I've bought both daggers,the army and the beast,at the same day! If you need further pics,let me know. Gerd
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here are some close ups of the etch.....
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Nice one Gerd ....Looks really good
Congrats on your new catch!
Best
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Hi Gerd, Nice maker that is not seen often and its in great condition! Take special care of that hanger. Larry
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Agree a nice dagger but get rid of that green slime under the vertical hanger and like Larry said, I would treat the leather.
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Regards Sean
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That green slime eats away at the nickel silver. There is not a lot of that hanger left, so be gentle as you take it off.
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Nice dagger Gerd, i hope to see it in reality soon!!!
@Dave Hohaus, why does the green slime eats the nickel silver? i think its "greenspan" and nothing that will kill the nickel silver, its like patina?
Greetings Rieny
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Thanks for the kind words and tips regarding the vertical hanger,gents! I'll try to remove this green slime. @ rieny, I guess you meant verdigris.  Regards Gerd
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Congrats on your new SS. I've got 807/36 (unfortunately not as nice as yours)- a woodwork find from Berlin area. Just imagine, some say the 807's are post war... 
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Congrats on your new SS. I've got 807/36 (unfortunately not as nice as yours)- a woodwork find from Berlin area. Just imagine, some say the 807's are post war... Thanks Adam! I guess i've seen your 807.It looks also fine! A other member of this Forum(John) owns also an RZM 807/37. I've seen more fakes as originals with this TM. Regards, Gerd
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hi Gerd, verry nice dagger. I look for a later SS dagger. Let me know if you are sell it.
regards oliver
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hi Gerd, verry nice dagger. I look for a later SS dagger. Let me know if you are sell it.
regards oliver
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hi gerd, verry good this dagger! ich hab den Bruder..... best trussa
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Hello
There are opinions of Russians that this dagger post-war copy!
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Hello Gerd, well very nice dagger with vertical hanger you have! You was lucky again.
Really? Post war copy? I don't think so at all.
Lukas.
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In an example brought here such picture over
That you say on it?
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@Alien Do You mean my dagger is a copy,or generally the 807/37?? This list is also not complete.How about RZM 1052/39? As far as i know,this list belongs to Neal Jackson. John(Vintagetime)owns the same dagger,with the same etch pattern. I'm looking forward for your evidence.
@Oli, sorry this dagger is not for sale. Thanks Lukas and Kurt! Kurt,ich wei� das du den 807/36 hast.  Regards, Gerd
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Just imagine, some say the 807's are post war... Adam, here it is! 
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Hello Gerd
This is such theory of some specialists from Russia
Such manufacturer did not meet me
It would be desirable to look him in the taken apart kind
Is such possible?
Sorry to my English
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Vitaliy,
are those specialists saying all 807's are post war or only the 807/37?
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Vitaliy,
are those specialists saying all 807's are post war or only the 807/37? Adam, i guess he thinks only 807/37 are post war. If you take a look at the list showed upper, in year 1936 he has maker 807, but in the year 1937 not. BUT...if will be true, why someone makes a post war dagger 807/37, which would be mean, creating nonsense and not just use existing mark 807/36? It doesn't make sense to me. Lukas.
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Luko, it not I think so!
I simply took away on a discussion that comes into question on the Russian forums.
Also write that about such manufacturer 807/37 not mentioned in edition of T.Wittmann
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Well, those lists are not 100% complete. They are not official 3rd Reich lists of manufacturers, they're only collectors research. Some new, previously unknown RZM makers still pop up from time to time.
Probably the quantity of daggers produced in '37 was very small, and they are much rarer than 807/36.
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Hi Vitaly.
Regarding these lists.
I agree with Adam,not every reference list/Book is complete
A few are non listed/published,also in Ralfs book.
Sorry,i don't take this dagger apart.
Regards,
Gerd
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Hi Gerd
I understood you
Regards
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I think the dagger looks great and no red flags. I also have a 807/36 and would love to find out the maker.
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I think the dagger looks great and no red flags. I also have a 807/36 and would love to find out the maker. Rotin pictures please
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Hi all, after i removed the vertical hanger from the scabbard, here are some new pics of it. It's marked with 1/36 and it's personalized11/88 above the RZM and with D Mester/ Dr Muster below. Or simply J Mester  But it's hard to show it on the pics. Here it is Regards, Gerd
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Hehe, nice surprise. Perhaps "88" stands for the SS Fu�standarte from Bremen? Which part of Germany you got it from?
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Hehe, nice surprise. Perhaps "88" stands for the SS Fu�standarte from Bremen? Which part of Germany you got it from? This dagger came out of a source in Bremen. I followed the advice of Erich and Larry ,to treat the leather and finally found the markings. Thanks guys Gerd
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Hi Gerd: Congrats on your dagger. There is a Dr. Heinrich Mester in the Master Index of SS Names in the National Archives. He has a SS Officer File and a Race & Settlement ( Rasse-und Siedlungs) File. I'll try to take a look at them on my next visit. Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.comwww.ss-numbers.com
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Hi Ross, Thanks for your response! It's just Amazing....This is the 2nd black dagger with a "background" in 11 months. It gets me down..... Regards, Gerd
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I would like to see some other personalized vertical hangers.
Is there anybody out there,who owns one or two...?
Gerd
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Hi Gerd: Congrats! Turns out that it was not the Dr. Mester. It was SS-Rottenf�hrer Diedrich Mester, SS No. 59 314, SS-Sturm 11/ 88. SS-Standarte. He has an extensive Race & Settlement File that include the extra bonus of his two stammkartes and 2 SS membership file cards. These must have been added to his file during the "big sort" of captured SS records at the end of the war since they were not required for the marriage application. Contact me for more information. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.comwww.ss-numbers.comwww.HistoricGraphics.com
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Hi Ross, Excellent! I can't sleep tonight Regards, Gerd
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super Ross,
Excellent great ss Dagger!!!
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