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A early blade,reissued in 1936 for the RZM.
Please a close up of the motto and the Eick -Trademark.

This "combination" of early TM & RZM is also seen with the big Eicklogo.
Gerd

Is it right ?

TM looks fine.
The motto pattern is correct with the "serrated tail" TM.

Gerd

I doubt that it is reissued,Eickorn yours different styles of trademarks in their 1933-1945 history.Really a great looking dagger.

T.W. and some other dealers call those blades "re-issued"
34/35 blade and a new RZM etch in 1936.

But this is an interesting topic in regards to these double marked blades!
I would like to hear some other opinions,because not all of the collecting community accept these blades. Also some in germany.

I owned the same blade like this dagger in question for a very long time.
It's an early blade with an additional factory RZM etch.
Does anyone seen any written evidence in regards to these blades?

Gerd

I believe Wittmann concluded these are leftover Rohm blades that the factory ground and applied the additional trademark. The earlier trademark is positioned correctly for a Himmler or Rohm inscribed dagger. There could be other explanations, but, considering the position of the earlier mark, it does make sense that Wittmann is correct.

Yes it is an interesting question. In the beginning I thought these blades (with the small low squirrel) was for the Rohm daggers , but the motto position here as on the simple daggers.

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I've seen also unground blades,without dedication, with this small TM.
A member of an german forum owns one of these.
A remainder of stock,imo.

Gerd

If these were left over blades redone, why is the moto placement like that of a regular dagger and not like the himmlers and rohms?

Well spotted Wes I guess that puts the old stock reworked during RZM times theory to bed LOL

This has been a great topic!

Not all of them were R�hm or Himmler blades.

As i noted before,i owned one of these, with "standard"motto placement and of course "unground".

Regards,
Gerd

Friends. The anodized scabbard is correct for this period?

Yes,for a 1936 vintage.

So you mean to say that there are Eickhorn blades out there with this placement of trade mark and standard blade motto placement that are and are not rohm's or himmler's ?

To my mind yes. Though someone asserts that there was rohm's or himmler's versions with motto placement as on the regular daggers, but I think that it is doubtful.

I have not seen a genuine small trademark Eickhorn with the motto placed at normal +- 25mm from the crossguard. Fakes yes, but real no. All real ones are about 35 mm from the CG.

If you find a Rohm or Himmler dagger with the 25mm distance, you should look at the blade and the rest of the dagger very carefully. If you think it is real, post pictures or send it to me as it would be interesting news.

Dave

Yes, really interesting Eickhorn version. Small low TM + RZM mark and regular motto placement.

Did you checked the tang?

Yes, it looks good to me.

Hi Dave,
TW has two Early Ground R�hm Eickhorn's for sale,both with the big TM&RZM
The distance is hard to judge,from his pics.But i guess the 2nd is with "Standard"placement.

Gerd

So big trade mark on standard motto blade is ok to have RZM ? I thought the small trade mark came after the large one and both before the RZM markings? so why RZM on both large or small trade marked blades? whitch mark was used during the transition to RZM marked blades? also why are the maker & RZM markings only on the standard motto?

I am speaking about pre-RZM blades with the small trademark. These are SA/SS/NSKK Rohm inscription daggers ground, partly ground, or full inscription, plus the Himmler inscription daggers ... Nothing else.

There are a smaller number of the earlier large trademark Eicks that had the Rohm dedication. I have not measured these so perhaps someone can measure theirs.

Thanks
Dave

Gorgeous dagger...congrats!!

I hear you dave, but the one that started this thread would seem possible as a factory reworked except for the motto placement which is wrong for a rohm or himmler. Now as for the earlier large trademark ,how did they have these still in stock to be able to rework them and add the RZM to the blade after they already changed to the small trade mark that came before the transition to RZM marked blades? I was looking at T.W site and looked over the two he has, I gotta say I never seen any like that before. I guess there's a few more Eickhorn daggers I need to get.

You're right Wes.
On WAF was also one for sale,with the big TM

Regards,
Gerd

The motto is 25mm from the guard on my SA ground Rohm with the large Eickhorn mark

Wes,

If I have the time frame correct, the issue of the Rohm SS daggers was for three months or perhaps less and the switch to the small trademark (judging by numbers that have turned up) was early.

Perhaps some large trademark pieces were intercepted before being given out? Also, there is a theory that many were returned to the factory for regrinding, but the factory just switched to new blades and kept the old ones. Who knows ?

Thanks AJ,

Gerd

The original specs called for 25mm from the end of the motto to the CG. The illustrations are of SA but applied to SS.

The first SA/NSKK/SS daggers by Eickhorn had the large trademark which was a way off the CG.

Personal opinion from here on.

Someone at Eickhorn felt that the addition of the Rohm dedication made the back of the blade look off balance, or off center. A decision was taken to significantly reduce the size of the trademark, put it much closer to the CG, and balance the other side of the blade by moving the motto 1cm/10mm further away from the CG.

That is my thought with no evidence at all except the blades themselves

Here is a shot of an Ground R�hm,from one of my fellows

Regards,
Gerd

Hi Gred I can't open your picture forum gremlins at work again?

Here is it again.

Could you show the Rohm dedication and mark from this dagger ?

Hope it does work now.
The R�hm dedication has been removed.