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Hello

I have got this reworked WWI 84/98. The maker is J. A. Henkels in 1916. This bayonet has been reworked and a number has been added on the blade and on the scabbard 9248. The most amazing is the mark on the pommel close to the WWI acceptance mark. I have never seen something like that. I don't really know what it may be ? An early WaA ?

Best regards
Starbust

The left proof is non standard compare with other typical proofs in early period.the reworks looks like ok.

Hello Starbust!

There are a number of strange markings that have been found on Weimar modified WWI era bayonets (98/05s and 84/98s). Most of these various markings are still a mystery. After WWI, new systems for military inspection and acceptance had to be implemented. That system evolved and changed over the next decades, resulting in many strange and various inspection markings whose meanings have been lost to time and history. Among the examples are:

Su Acceptance (Berlin-Spandau)markings, which appear has an eagle over the letters "Su" followed by either two other numbers or letters (such as Su58 or SuWw).

Simson inspection markings, using a downward swept eagle over a set of different numbers.

There's an MA stamp found on the top left side of the pommel that is unknown, though some think it denotes Naval use. An S marking found on the top left side is also unknown. There exists a straight-winged eagle over Mg 10 found on the bottom of the pommel of some Weimar modified 98/05s, and this marking is also unknown.

Much of this info and photos of various examples are found on pages 97-105 of Bruce Karem's "The German S84/98 Bayonet, Volume I: 1908-1933."

Starbust, I'm afraid your marking is also unknown, but on the good side of things, I've never seen such a marking before, and you may have discovered something new! Still, I would guess that it's another unknown inspection marking from the period. The one constant in all of these unknown markings is that they've been not only reissued during the Weimar era, they've been reworked too. Thus it stands to reason that the ****nal that reworked these bayos most likely has something to do with the marking.

I'm sorry I couldn't help more. Perhaps someone else can shed more light on this strange marking.

Thanks Seitengewehr98

I have the book from B. Karem and I have also different weimar era bayonets with Su and other markings but this one is not recorded.
I agree with you it is very difficult to identify this stamps which now enjoy the collectors that we are !!!

Best regards
Starbust