UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum The RZM7/13 I let get away

Here is a Late SA I let go of and now resides in a collection in England. Since I am more interested in the earlier period SAs this one was hard to let go of because of the near mint/to mint condition it was in. The only sign of age was slight lifting on the crossguard. Sorry for the small photos,, but they should tell a story.

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I would have kept that one mate that is so nice

That would be a tough one for any collector to let go.

Very Nice Dagger.

Rich

Got that right Rich, I don't think I could. Very nice! Thanks

Say it ain't so Larry ......
yes Larry loves the oldder ones.
but you did save photos of it , which is good.
jeff

Excellent Schuttelhofer RZM dagger.
Rod

Yea it pained me to do it, but as my knowledge grew in the period and materials used so did my affection for early craftmanship. No doubt this is a looker, but with me there is something empty about late RZMs. Best wishes for the new owner who will appreciate it in its entirety. Larry

An RZM that even us "early guys" would love to own!

That top leather part of the hanger. . . is that standard, or a variant? I have the 2 bottom parts for my SA hanger, and I have seen the angled (swinging) photos before in original pics. Was this an addition that converted an angled hanger into a vertical hanger? Interesting.

Hi Spacey,,it is standard,, as that little grip loop was used for vertical carry,, for parades or hiking etc. Most SA men chose to take off the little grip loop and wear the dagger on a 45 degree slant as you see in pictures when standing guard or at party functions. Having a 2 pc hanger as you have is a nice find,,,,finding a dagger with a 3pc hanger is a little rarer. It was up to the owner and depending upon his service function location,,that decided what use and how much his dagger would swing around ( due to his movements).
Your dagger looks to be an early dagger with a late scabbard. The grip is beautiful and the hanger is in great condition. Very nice Spacey!!,,, who is the maker..just curious. Regards Larry

You're right, it is an early SA double oval Eickhorn with a late painted (instead of anodized) scabbard (it's blade is not nice and shiny like that one though). I'll find an early scabbard someday. I fell in love with that grip and haven't seen one exactly like it yet. I can see why the third piece was needed now, since it swings around so much when walking. By comparison, the 2nd model Luft hangers hang so low, it's slightly above the knee when attached. I wonder if that's due to different uniform length?

I understand and agree with your decision, Larry. To me even the nicest 7/13 can't beat good old early blade.

I have the twin to that dagger. M7/13 NSKK. Mine is similar condition generally but has just a bit of plating loss to the reverse of the locket and chape from wear (I guess).

OK, the fittings are not nickel but the quality of everything else is just as good as anything before IMHO.

I would not be selling mine, it was anyway the first dagger I ever had.

I`ll snap it later if I can get any decent pics I`ll post them.

Nice piece and the new owner should be very happy!

You might live to regret that Siegfried, I have always had sellers remorse even when I had to do it to get something better.

Siegfried B Well, you can not have everything, yet we let go of regret gives a piece like this, is a beautiful example of an RZM SA Dagger, I personally has happened on occasion, thanks for showing the images.

Well, I have managed to get some reasonable pics of the NSKK.
this is another i had not looked at for quite some time.

I have noted that M7/13 daggers are in general particularly well put together. The grip has an elegantly slim profile (similar to the early Herder SS I have) and the fits are perfect. Actually much better than many early daggers.

Now, I am not going to pretend to be the champion of RZM daggers; however, I do not think that it is justifiable to dismiss them all as being grossly inferior to the early daggers. Such a judgement is not IMO one that can be reasonably stated when looking at these two examples from Shuttelhofer.

I suggest that no serious collection of the period is really disgraced by the addition of a decent RZM dagger; and might actually be considered lacking for a collection of political focus. JMO of course.

As previously mentioned I show that the plating on the reverse of the locket and chape have suffered wear. There is no denying that the materials used are inferior to early manufacture but it must be appreciated that it was a product of it`s time. Manufactured under the auspices of & to the specifications of the RZM and regarded as such.

I see no other apparent lack of quality attributable to the manufacturer other than the materials they were obliged to use.

Both of the daggers here are in much better shape than most of the unissued ones I have seen wearing their tag and selling for big $$$$