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hi,any opinions would be very much appreciated
thanks.
slingshot

As much as I think the blade is good, I am not so convinced about the staghorn. I think it's new and from the photos, I think there is heavy evidence of the plating being damaged by tooling and filing the staghorn.

Therefore, my verdict is that it's an original blade, but the grips were replaced with new staghorn and filed to fool.

JAN

Yes i was not very happy with it when i got it home and took a closer look.
I wounder if anyone else have any opinions on this.Welcome any comments from other members.
slingshot

Slingshot,

I'm not crazy about the fit of the stag grips to the hilt. Notice on the obverse that the grip plate is fitted poorly, something I doubt would have happened on an extra cost option like stag grips. The rivets also don't look kosher either. Jan's point about the tooling is valid as well. If such things bother you, as they would most collectors, I'd try to return it.

You'll need better pictures for a better reading on your bayonet

I don't know if these photos help but here are a few I think real ones. Well there is one that has wood grips that are carved like stag. Well a little like stag.

Terry,

Would you think the posted hilt looks like 3R production? If so, it would be tough to figure as a sawback, right? I know there were some Weimar sawbacks that were non Feuerwehr pieces but I've never seen a 3R sawback that wasn't a Feuerwehr sawback. The rivet reverses look off to me, at least from the pics.

Hi TKissinger,

Is the imitate stag second one from the left ?

Keith

TKissenger hi there.
Nice bayos would you be kind enough to post me some close up pictures of the rivets front and back.
slingshot

Maybe it's the angle of the pictures, but doesn't it look like the rivets are offset, like Pack ones are?

If so, they sure aren't Pack spanner bolts, are they? And I don't know of anyone else who had the offset spanner bolts.

John

Dous staghorn shrink with age gents??

These grips look very much like recently installed staghorn from India to me from the photographs. They appear to be the type of grips seen on reproduction police bayonets I am afraid.

I take back my comment on the offset grip bolts... the poor fit of the grip plates makes me want to run away really fast.

The stag grips I have seen looked like they were very carefully and painstakingly fitted to the rest of the hilt.

This does not.

John

quote:

Is the imitate stag second one from the left ?

Keith

That was my guess too. How about it Terry? Are we right?


Lance

Ok it seams to me i have been had over occording to the replies so far.
I have asked for my money back but got told in so many words to take a run and jump.
Never mind he probobly needs the money moor than me.

quote:

Originally posted by Slingshot:
Dous staghorn shrink with age gents??

No, stag horn will not shrink with age. But I have seen some cracked ones, not sure because of age or impact. Can anyone input on this ?

Keith

Really dont like this bayo anymoor you have put a con man in my minde.Ok i have been conned naw what?? I Will live with it but i will tell you one thing all these nice dealers pretending to be experts and let me say YOUR FRIEND they are not.
Just out for getting rid of thair rubbish and pass it on
If the bayo was so rare WHY SELL IT ??????

DRAT DRAT AND DOUBLE DRAT
Never again will i trust some one
slingshot a mile with these people
slingshot

This guy is addament the grips havent been replaced.
Naw what whear do i go from here.
1.Is the saw back original?
slingshot

The following pictures are from three of my stag dress bayonets. First picture is the obverse side and the second picture is the reverse side.

Second group

Third group

TK on the rivets there is that not a lot of differance or is it my eyesight??
Thank you for this the brivot plot thickens ?

The above pictures show how some makers riveted there grips. The first set shows how both sides look to be domed, nice touch. The other two sets are more convential.

TK great ,so wear then dous that leave my rivits ??

TK i take it that these rivets were made out of mild steel and not somthing harder.Then inserted with a punch and dolly on other side.By hand??

Me working as an aircraft fitter i have inserted thousends of rivets.Some times i do not have the domed head punch to fit over the the domed head rivet head.So therefore it is dolly to dolly.Exepted in process if you are skilled in mech eng craft studies like i am.
there for could my bayo rivets be a 100 off at differant times of the year when tooling is not always there????

I will add just one moor point about the rivets on my bayonet.
Even though you members dont like them and let me say you have a bit convinced me and i will agree with you but like i say there is always a but.
These rivets have been inserted with quite a steady hand .I know sean worse at work.Look at the double dolly marks front and back.
Also look at file marks not uncommen on original bayos on stag horn.
If you look a bit closser they are in differant angles so therfore no way have they have been done at the same time??

Hi,

I am still not convinced that the staghorn is original to the piece. The blade seems ok, but the grips do not. The rivets may not be the only way to tell a new staghorn apart from the old, but I would focus more on what seems to be the tooling marks left behind on the plating. This to me would be a far more important indicator along with the unusually light color of the stag on the photos. All in all, I am still not convinced.

JAN

jancz3rt
I am with you on this one im still not happy.
cheers

I will refresh this thread.
First the file marks or as stated tooling marks are not consistant to grips and body of the knife.Diffo directions.Therfore the grips and filing are not done at the same time.
I have looked at a lot of top dealers sites and the rivets and colour of grips do not ring alarm bells for me.
Gents any moor thoughts on this subject

I don't think there should be any file marks at all. I don't think the grips were fited with them attached and the hilt plated. I have several stag grip bayonets and none have file marks.

TK thanks for your input on this thread.
I have just been looking at some top dealer sites on stag grips and also looking hard at various rivet configerations.
Some bayos do exibit slight file marks on the top of the grips.
They must be selling fakes or mock ups then are they?????
Are people allowed to post pics from dealers websites on a public forum or dous copyright come into this????

Hi Slingshot,

I think that most of us agree there is something definitely wrong with the piece you are posting here. Please ask the dealer you wish to use pictures of or at a minimum quote them as the source. I have yet to see a dress bayonet with file marks that would be normal to the piece. I definitely want to see a picture of the bayonets you are referring to. Thanks.

JAN

Here are some photos of some of my stag grip bayoners. No file marks here.

TK im warming towards your reply.
Thank you so much in taking time out to photo your bayos at this angle.Nice one mate.
I am still not happy with this bayo of mine.
Its just im stuck with it and trying to prove the seller wrong .
He is adiment it is a gud un
regards
dave