UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe Forum EICK KM DELUX

hi mates -

we all know these scabbards (nearly identical to wittmann p. 375) are very rare. how much does one add to the value of an ordinary eich km with knot and hangers in 90% condition? thanks.

I would guess $2000 or maybe even more. Depends on the how much of the gilding remains.

thanks so much, dave. gilding's about 90%. this came with a bog-stock eick like the one in wittmann. mine's the late style.

DW--check your Email/private GDC messages

Beautiful scabbard.
What do the throat screws look like?

hi roger - interestingly there's just one on one front side 1/2 way between the throat cap and the top 'band. very slightly domed, it almost looks a recessed a bit.....

the deluxe in wittmann besides having different 'heer-style' bands has two 'cupcake dome' screws on either side at the top.

I don't know for sure but I like the two side screw type.

Send your pictures to Tom Wittmann and get a good opinion.

Dave

That is one stunning scabbard, a real beauty of craftmanship.

GORGEOUS!!!

Very impressive
Congratulations

Wow that is nice,i have never seen one of them only in books.

I certainly don’t specialize in navy daggers but like Ed that single scabbard screw would be a cause of concern for me.

I agree with what some other members said. The single scabbard-screw would be a reason of concern for me as well. JMHO. Regards, Danny

Well, this was listed on WAF for almost $6,000 and sold within 3 hours!

Obviously, someone over there had no reservations about this....and it wasn't me that bought it.

John

John as I said I don’t study all the intricacies of navy daggers but can you think of any other period made navy by any maker that used a single center screw? I can not.

I picked up a Navy Imperial one time.Sailing Ship ,hammered scabbard , single screw.When I saw this I called TW as there were none in his book. Tom told me to check the scabbard for length and it was about 3/4" longer than a regular Navy. He than informed me it was post war .The single screw is like the give away and I don't know if this is aways the case but it would give me my doughts and at 6K more so.

The scabbard came with a late Eickhorn squirrel logo'd dagger. Outside of the scabbard bands it looked exactly like the Deluxe Eickhorn scabbard in Witty's book.

Although I haven't seen a single screw Navy scabbard that only means to me that I haven't seen one.
With other models with scabbards using a single screw in their late versions, I don't see why this one couldn't either, as certainly doesn't the advanced collector who bought it.


-serge-

Serge point taken but for 6K not for me to many explanations needed I have never seen any late Eickhorn navy’s with one scabbard screw to include the late steel based scabbards again I have never seen one period navy dagger with one scabbard screw. I certainly would think a scabbard of this quality late or early would have two screws. But if the new buyer is happy that’s all that matters we all have to buy in our own comfort zones.

thanks for all the addl. feedback.

1 screw or 2? my take:

when you're customizing a dagger for someone not a big thing to go along with another request (in addn. to different scabbard bands), like: 'I want a smooth single slightly-domed front screw and not 2 big fat-heads sticking out the sides.'

it's like gnl. officer uniforms: 'textbook' doesn't apply; it's all about variations and exceptions to the rule. actually, the buyer already has one of these deluxes and wanted to keep it company!

happy hunting & a wonderful christmas to all.

David:

Congratulations on selling this rare and, can I say it, almost controversial item.

Not many of us at all would have the confidence to show and sell an item like this, and my hat is off to you. And, fewer of us would have the knwoledge or the confidence to buy such an item.

I am sure that there are two happy people out there, the buyer who now has a unique item in his collection and you for being able to get through the negatives to come out with a large positive.

For the record, I did not buy this and I do not know who did.

Merry Christmas to you, David, and to everyone who participated in this very interesting thread.

John

you are kind, johnz. I dunno about 'confidence,' but starvation is a great motivator! only wish I could keep more stuff :--- (

anyhow your comments mean a lot. be well, d

I bought it and it is a fine original. The single screw means absolutely nothing on this Eickhorn-just another custom feature. Unlike the WKC's all of the Eickhorn deluxe scabbards are slightly different with quite a bit of artistic license allowed and seem to be made by the same person.Most of the WKC's were standard patterns-exactly the same except for very minor differences as each one was hand made. Also some of the early Hollers with the reversed grip have single screws. As Serge says" Just because you have never seen one-just means you have never seen one". If you only buy "textbook" you will miss out on some really rare pieces.

As an afterthought-let me explain about the single screw Navies Ed mentioned. They were Horsters-brought in in the 60's. They ALL had slightly longer hammered scabbards-no lightning bolt versions and all had a single flush flat head screw on the reverse. The hammering was a bit sub-standard-the throat a bit loose. The grip was plastic with the wire holes showing-the wire secured by wooden pegs.So--if a scabbard is encountered with a single screw-NOT like mentioned above, no negative conclusion is justified. It's like the Navies with the rare reversed grip by Holler-Why? Who knows? But still a VERY rare piece.

Well done Houston and well said, too many buy just textbook, there are so many variations and IMO they are the pieces to collect.

Fantastic dagger

Gary

Glad you’re happy with it and thanks for the explanation-Gary I myself like to collect some variations but only in the field I feel comfortable in especially with 5K involved.

This is actually a 'textbook' case (pun intended). The guys that don't know are suspicious as they never saw one. The guy who knows, snags it and skips down the happy collector road knowing what he got. -Congrats Houston-.

-serge-

Houston has been collecting these special embellished Scabbard Navies for years and, IMO, is the resident expert on them. Enough said for me to believe.

thanks for that addendum, ron. best '12. dw