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Sorry Alien but this dagger is correct in all aspects.....or as we say in Texas it is "right as rain". If someone has one like it an thinks it is spurious, I'll buy it from you.
Rick

First let me thank you for the additional pics and the specifications of a suspicion.

What I can see from these extra and detailed pics the dagger shown by Oleg67 for me is a nice original one. It has all features we like to see and shows a lot of honest age. The trademark of this dagger -to my best knowledge- is one of the many period variants of the EICKHORN maker marks and a legit variant of the 35-41 mark. The word "SOLINGEN" is executed in a total legit manner of a stamped maker mark.

alien, I do respect that any member can have his own opinion concerning an item and is also encouraged to post them but in my humble opinion you are wrong on this one.

Please no personal insults.

Regards,

Gentlemen,

I can't say it any better.

We do know about stamped Eickhorn fake maker marks, but they appeared recently and they do look different.

Everybody has a perfect right for his own opinion, is free to express them and to act accordingly. In my opinion, this keeps the collector community alive.
We are all students of German daggers.

In our book we did the best to show items we were sure about their genuity.
But everything is open for debate, always.

Best;
Hefmann

I still believe that this is not the original dagger.logo (brand)

Just some dealers more profitable to sell since the original ending.

Over time, see what came of it.

It is to bad that you believe this on the mark shown above. I have seen swords etc.. being postwar stamped the above pictured dagger is NOT one of them. You have my sympathy as you are wrong on the dagger above.. Regards: James

Here is another of the same logo.
Look at the production and the etching on the blade.

Alien, as already said, you still have to learn a lot. You have either no own experience with the subject Navy, or your experience is too small to be able to discuss the KM daggers. Please, have respect for the opinions of the experienced collectors. These people have seen enough KM daggers in their life. Their opinions will help you on the way of the learning. If you, of course, this way liked to go. Till present, however, it looks other. At first you ask questions here and to you them answer, and then, at the Russian forums you write that misters Wittmann and Johnson sell fakes, and collectors from Germandaggers.com support them. And that Wotan can't call these daggers fakes just because they are sold by Mr. Johnson! How you dare to speak so about people to whom you come for the help?!
You are no honest person for me. I would never give you my hand.

Thanks for sharing these images. I just started collecting TR daggers, and just picked up an Eickhorn Kriegsmarine. I also just joined the GDC community: and this is exactly why; it's collector's like you who teach and motivate us newbies to grow in this hobby.

-- Randy

Hey guys:

We have all seen the 35-41 seated squirrel TM used by Eickhorn. The variations that we see on Lufts and Heers are stamped and etched versions as well as the small squirrel version.

I was looking at the Navy daggers and assuming that only the one stamped version could be found.

Here is one that has very different characteristics on the tail of the squirrel. I am told that this was a version used by Eickhorn in the latter part of 40-41 just before they switched to the over shoulder TM.

Here are pictures of the trademarks, the first is the new one without the shading inside the tail, the second is the one with shading traditionally found when we think of these seated squirrel marks.

Also, here is the dagger just in from Tom Wittman.

First, pics of the dagger.

John

Here are comparisons to the other 35-41 TM.

First, the difference.

The first pic is this new one with an empty tail and different fringe around the tail.

Second, is the comparison.

Third and fourth are other Kriegs that I won with the more common full tail maker mark.

John

Very neat John. These slight differences in die stamp use are what make collecting by maker interesting.

JohnZ, I have recognized this small difference in the certain mms in 1999 (when I got a certain dagger) and have written about them at GD.C in 2001 or 2002 but nobody did care at these times.
You might be right that it is a late mark just before switching to the "over the shoulder" mark as I could observe the mark in Question on a Prinz Eugen Saber and a navy dagger both obviously of late production.
Regards,

Hi John,

I have already showed a KM dagger by Eickhorn with this maker mark in this thread. Here a photos of the dagger from my collection. The dagger was awarded to verwaltungsfeldwebel Herbert Krambeer at 1. October 1940, please have look at the letter.

Best, Oleg.

Wotan and Oleg:

I am not disparaging nor in competition with your posts. In fact, I found this dagger that I think supports your position. Oleg's document lends support to the late in the time period use of this mark... 40-41 use just before the implementation of the over shoulder mark.

So, yes, I did see your posts, but, since I started this thread to show (off?) my Eickhorn Kriegsmarines, my latest find is totally appropriate to this thread.

BTW, your daggers are very nice and I would have loved to have found an example of this maker mark like yours, but I did not. Just the same, I am happy to have this in my colletion.

John

JohnZ, if my post did sound competing or disparaging (which in no way was it´s sense) I do apologize. It was meant just as a simple discussion remark.
Regards,

Hi John, sorry.
You've probably misunderstood me. With my post I just wanted to support your theory
about the use of this logo in the middle period.
Kindest regards, Oleg.

No problems, guys. We are all saying the same thing. Learning and sharing is how we all grow in this hobby.

John

In case any one is interested, Paul Hogle has one for sale in slightly better condition:

https://www.lakesidetrader.com/item.php?ID=9923

Unobvious maker mark variations do not usually command premiums on dealer sites, I have found.

John