UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum F.Dick early SA

Here is the other SA that I purchased from Ron Weinand. This example is in an untouched condition, as I will explain in detail later on in this thread. Although F.Dick is a fairly common maker, it remains to be desirable as this maker also made Rohm daggers. F.Dick is known for their craftmanship and dark wood grips. This example may not be in mint condition on the outside but remains near mint on the crossgrain process as the saltiness on the outside has not affected the blade at all except for the commonly seen runner marks an a few small spots. Here are a few photos of my F.Dick and I am hopeful others who have this maker can show their makers logo variations as I was told that there were more than the 3 types.

The motto burnishing is mostly all there including the logo.

The group mark is the commonly seen “Sw” – Sudwest ( South West ) which is highly seen for this maker and included is the dark wood grip commonly seen.

2 photos of the original cross grain on the reverse and one on the obverse

I took the dagger apart to see inside the casting marks and the tang mark if any. As you can see from the pictures below that the top of the cross guard tang nut left an image of it being unturned. So for me this was good to see as this was never taken down. Taking the grip off was another story as it just did not slide off or want to come off at all. After a little gentle coercion it finally started to move and as you can see by the photos posted a lot of rust came out of the grip hole and also the tang was rust laden.

Pretty cool to see a “W” caster mark on the top and bottom crossguards , and a green patina inside. I took one of those special scrub sponges made for teflon pans that do not scratch the service and rubbed off the rest of the rust on the tang. The tang is marked with a “A” in a circle and a 17 below,,, very coincidental this number as my previous SA “Pfeilringwerk” that I posted before this one …its tang was marked with an “A” and a 16!! Must be neighbors casters.. with these casting mark numbers so close together! Regardless ,,,for me this was a pleasant find, being untouched from within!

Hi Larry,

Very nice F.Dick with a beautiful blade.

Here is my SA F.Dick with another logo variation, similar to your's but with two dots.







I observed these three logo variations on normal F. Dick pictures I collect from the net:



- With dots like mine,
- Whithout dots like your's,
- And transversal to the blade with the "ESSLINGER" below.

At Rohm blades I had see some examples with a logo without dots like your's but more close to crossguard.



When I disassembled my dagger for the 1st time I observed the same material that fall from you grip. I think it's not only rust but some kind of glue they had put on tang for unknow reason. Until now I don't removed it and my upper crossguard don't can be removed from tang. My crossguards are "W" markeds like your's but I dont see any mark on tang.

Regards,

Ricardo

Congrats Larry, love the been there look!

I disassembled my dagger again to confirm some infos, some more pictures:



The tang with the same material you have in Your's:





I think there is a marking here, but I can't ready it. One idea about it?





Only lower crossguard is "W" marked the upper has no markings. I had see another F.Dick with the same configuration:

Ricardo, Thank you for posting some pics of the makers logos and showing us yours also. Your example is in much greater condition than mine and the scabbard anodizing is outstanding!! It looks as though the 2 logos that are running parallel are 2 different sizes and the one with the dots on the end is slightly fatter. I can see it in the spacing where the arrow feathers are close to the edge of the logo. Mine looks a tad thinner. I cant seem to make out the tang marking but looks like it may be a"P" but not sure. I checked a few references I have and I could not find a match,, just like the 2 tang markings I posted which are not found. Im curious as to if F.Dick just used one caster and i would like to see other examples. I thank you Ricardo for taking the time to research this and posting some great photos of your dagger.
Now..@ Erich!! Its just like being the first one to step back in time as I had the pleasure as a youngster to sneak up to my grandparents attic. To walk through that door and go up those steeply built steps of that old house, and walk into a room decor unchanged since the 1930s. The smell of the room and the old stuff, just took me back in time. I found a newspaper up there that the war in Europe was over and another one where Hitler took France! ...So yea I cherish the smallest reminders of sometimes being the first one to look into a tang or a scabbard,, or better yet finding something in the woodwork!!
So next up in a few weeks an SA "Sweetheart from Schmalkalden".....and larger pictures

Larry,

I think you're reason, logo without dots seems narrow than with dots, may be they used the same narrow template used at Rohm blades.

I collecterd these pictures from another NSKK F.Dick some times ago on net. I observed the same logo with dots and the same crossguard configuration than mine, but observing the thang I see a faint marking thats appears something like "RER". May be F.Dick used some different blade suppliers.







Because I have a F.Dick I'm always researching about it's variations.

Best regards,

Ricardo

Nice Dicks!

Here is the transversal version with the dots!

Which brings us to 4 different versions showed in this topic.

Best greetings,

Herman

My Dick, without the Dots

I have the same feeling as you Larry when looking through a window into history.

Very interesting, it's the 1st time I see a transversal one with dots. I think F.Dick daggers with transversal logos are more rare than with paralel logos. I observed too Sudwest Gruppe markings are predominant in F.Dick daggers.

Hermann thanks for a great contribution to this thread. I cant possibly think of any other combinations, except a transversal without the "Esslingen"