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Seems a little harsh, pretty critical and almost slanderous, and not just for originality, but in the way things are listed on the website. While I don't agree with the dealers marketing tactics, I don't think "selling the sizzle" is a punishable crime.
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Interesting. It mostly seem to be one guy posting.
I wonder why he does not say who he is.
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the site has just opened, and the person in question who does the most posting is a very knowledgeable person in Scandinavia who studies the fakes and fakers and backs up his thoughts with period data for the most part. I can understand dealers not liking this forum if you sell junk you are going to be mentioned and discussed with no interference from folks with bias interests, I think a much needed voice.
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Right on Paulbear! you are correct 100%
alot of folks dont say who they are on the internet
they want to maintain anonymity,,its there right to do so.
there is nothing sinister about wishing to remain anonymous
and there is more than 1 guy posting,,its getting bigger daily!
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Paul,
A secret assignment for you. On that new forum, a gent called "Frank Furter" has signed on and claims to be from Irma, Alberta, your home town.
The 2006 census listed 444 folks there, so this guy would stand out. Probably tall, thin, with a pinkish complexion if his name is any clue.
Be very very careful as he could be a GDC or WAF assassin and he may be shadowing you.
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Dave and Paul:
Further to this, the community theatre company that I volunteer with, Front Row Centre Players, just finished a run of the "Rocky Horror Show" and we did have a Frank N Furter on stage every night for the last 3 weeks, even during the MAX show.
Coincidence, I think not.
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He might be driving something like this: 
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The forum seems to be going quite well,,I encourage other like minded collectors to take a look!
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Ok, just as a point of reference, look at this post from there where he is bashing lakeside trader, who IMO is a great 5-star kind of guy:
Look at the bottom of THIS page chaps. There is not a single period regulation known which would support the description 'DJ knife'. There are no photos showing such a knife being worn (either with or without the scabbard diamond). So, what does this dealer know that neither we nor the RZM regulations nor the Reichsjugendführung regulations/books/pamphlets know. What is his basis for offering an item for sale for whose period existence there is the sum total of nil period evidence? This dealer offers a 'lifetime warranty on authenticity' so the question is this: is he being fair, open and honest to his customers in all regards?
He's not alone of course though. Where is the period evidence to support...
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Just seem kind of harsh to me, I get calling out fakers, but IMO he is not trying to mislead anyone.
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There's only 4 people over there so its not a big deal. They've sold out to royster and wc stump....
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Paulbear,
Any luck in tracking down "Frank Furter" ?
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"There's only 4 people over there so its not a big deal. They've sold out to royster and wc stump...."
I'm sorry sir buy you are sadly mistaken
there is more than 4 people over there and WC stump is no longer on the forum (his choice) so Dolos has not sold out to anyone.
pls check your facts
And Mr Jerry I like LST too,,,,
but he's got a bogus item on his site and refuses to act on it
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Nibbles, I see you, Joe, Kingtiger, and the gasmask dude over there. In my country that adds up to 4. Stump is now Bunker btw. Easy to make up new personas on line, isn't it?
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Stump is now Bunker btw.
oh,,I didn't realize that,, well why don't you post something over there,,then we'll have 5!:)
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Niblet:
I looked on LST web site and couldn't find any DJ knives for sale. But, there are a lot of them on other dealer sites. Is everyone wrong about these? A while back Bill Shea had a post somewhere about an interview with a senior member of the BDM which verified their use of the DJ knife, if I recall correctly.
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thanks for the reply, First off i must say,,I have 0 interest in anything HJ,DJ or KFC,,you couldn't even give me the stuff for free
so I do not follow the HJ section in LST's site,,he may have pulled the item,,,I don't know, Paul
never weighs in the forum goings on on his site,,,so we are left guessing all the time.
The individual who made the post on Dolos would not have done so if it wasn't true. But to answer your question I didn't go and look for myself,,,so perhaps a mistake was made I don't know.
What I do know is just because Shea purportedly interviewed an old timer is not reason enough for me
to believe in something,,,I would need facts from multiple sources,,,
taking a dealers word on authenticity is a dangerous game,,, I mean,,look who authored all the leading dagger books??? a major dagger dealer!! am I not the only one who thinks that's a little odd?
That's marketing 101 folks!
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Probably one of the most dangerous things anyone can do is to assume something is true because someone else said it. That is walking totally blind in a dark closet. Regardless of a major dealer OR an Author, or anyone for that matter,, never put your trust in someone elses assumptions. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Dolos or no Dolos dont be a follower and be a leader in your own thinking. Joeseph Goebbels was great at convincing people of grand stories, whether they were true or not. The individual who made the post on Dolos would not have done so if it wasn't true. HUH??? I must be in the land of OZ hearing this!! What one person is a sole Authority that every word comes out of their mouth is true? In this hobby or out? Do you believe everything you hear? Are you one of those snow storm panic people that hears a threat of snow and goes out and buys an abundance of ingredients for french toast,,when in turn there are mostly local convenient stores within less than a mile of most homes, then it doesnt snow? Pull your head out of your claven. I would need facts from multiple sources Wait a minute you just took the word of one person from Dolos but yet you need multiple sources? Spit it out!! which is it, I am having a hard time trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but the story keeps changing. I do not follow the HJ section in LST's site,,he may have pulled the item,,,I don't know You dont know??..... Now we are finally getting somewhere,,why dont you know?? because you didnt look but took the time to read someone elses opinion and not form your own because you did not research it for yourself! What i am trying to get after here is for you not to contradict your own words. Dont let someone else make up your mind for you. If something is true or false then back it up with your own research. 2 things that make my blood run cold,,, one is a dagger in a scabbard backwards... the other is Liberal thinking and there are too many of them doing alot of damage everywhere. Think for yourself, research and form your own conclusions. Would it be the same for something I could not see also if i asked you to prove to me you had a brain? This is not an insult!! relax.... but since i cant see your brain then it would lead me to believe you dont have one because I can not see it. Sounds silly doesnt it? I would have to ask you to prove it to me,, then again I would have to make a decision on either cutting into your head or finding out for myself because anymore what some things people say anymore is hard to believe. So I will take the alternative route and do some research and not buy on one opinion. If you are offended by what I said.. then Im sorry you feel that way. Stand up on your own hind legs before you try to break someone elses.
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My point was not about the finer points of the HJ/DJ discussion, but rather the way in which a "good" dealer was raked over the coals for using what is nothing more than accepted collector terminology.
Again, I get calling out the fakers, and I wholeheartedly support that.
But to me that site just looks more like an angry mob witch hunt from here. Too much anger.
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reminiscent of MCF to a degree... Something like this is needed,,but it always goes over the top..
LST seems to have a great record,,and is one of the 'good guys'...
Sometimes a dealer just believes in a piece good or bad and unless there is a bunch of evidence against it they'll keep it on site..
- example:,,a year ago or so some excellent faked Puma fighting 'tool' knifes were circulating around [wood handle]. Many dealers had them some put them on their site,,some just on their table,,they were bad to the bone but because there was doubt or little info, they sold them...
,,anyway,,all the sites are privately owned and can write what they want,, true or not,,,sometimes though it gets you to investigate on your own, ,and then you will really start to see the truth...
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Probably one of the most dangerous things anyone can do is to assume something is true because someone else said it. That is walking totally blind in a dark closet. Regardless of a major dealer OR an Author, or anyone for that matter,, never put your trust in someone elses assumptions. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Dolos or no Dolos dont be a follower and be a leader in your own thinking. Joeseph Goebbels was great at convincing people of grand stories, whether they were true or not. The individual who made the post on Dolos would not have done so if it wasn't true. HUH??? I must be in the land of OZ hearing this!! What one person is a sole Authority that every word comes out of their mouth is true? In this hobby or out? Do you believe everything you hear? Are you one of those snow storm panic people that hears a threat of snow and goes out and buys an abundance of ingredients for french toast,,when in turn there are mostly local convenient stores within less than a mile of most homes, then it doesnt snow? Pull your head out of your claven. I would need facts from multiple sources Wait a minute you just took the word of one person from Dolos but yet you need multiple sources? Spit it out!! which is it, I am having a hard time trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but the story keeps changing. I do not follow the HJ section in LST's site,,he may have pulled the item,,,I don't know You dont know??..... Now we are finally getting somewhere,,why dont you know?? because you didnt look but took the time to read someone elses opinion and not form your own because you did not research it for yourself! What i am trying to get after here is for you not to contradict your own words. Dont let someone else make up your mind for you. If something is true or false then back it up with your own research. 2 things that make my blood run cold,,, one is a dagger in a scabbard backwards... the other is Liberal thinking and there are too many of them doing alot of damage everywhere. Think for yourself, research and form your own conclusions. Would it be the same for something I could not see also if i asked you to prove to me you had a brain? This is not an insult!! relax.... but since i cant see your brain then it would lead me to believe you dont have one because I can not see it. Sounds silly doesnt it? I would have to ask you to prove it to me,, then again I would have to make a decision on either cutting into your head or finding out for myself because anymore what some things people say anymore is hard to believe. So I will take the alternative route and do some research and not buy on one opinion. If you are offended by what I said.. then Im sorry you feel that way. Stand up on your own hind legs before you try to break someone elses. Sigfried, I am not the most eloquent or educated writer so its quite easy to sit and punch holes in my written words when you break it down line by line like that,,,I'll be the first one to admit it,,,, I'll also be the first to admit I dont know something. Like the DJ/HJ knives in question,,,Are they fake??? I could really care less personally,,,,I dont nor will I ever own anything HJ/DJ As far as the guy who wrote the post on DOLOs,,,there's not too many folks in this hobby I trust,,,,(I know that's a hard word to accept by some) but I have corresponded with the author of that post for several years now and his knowledge of some areas of TR collecting simply astonishes me. This is someone who actually reads and speaks german and has taken the time to do there own research...... What he discovers he can back up with facts,,,thats why I have trust in this person. I used to trust Bruce Petrin,,because he could wax so eloquently,,, but there were only stories and hearsay coming out of his mouth. A big difference there,,,,, so break this down and see what you think ok? I would be happy to continue this debate in an email,,just PM me,,,but I'm not going to get into it with you here. Thanks
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Gaspare and Mr.Jerry I could not agree more. Sounds like their past hurts are on their forefront and it is becoming a stumbling block to their growth. I see Dolos as a good idea , but in some shaky hands. I hope they can work through their rough spots and focus more in teaching the collector about "What" is fake and less on "Who". Cant change a department store for their inventory if you dont like it,, you just go somewhere else. Arm yourself with knowledge and become a smart shopper. Dolos would have a great reputation if they would take the time and create a thread as what we have here on How to spot a "fake item" As a collector I would learn nothing about what I collect if I listened more so to who is bad than the Historical example I own. We collect Historical artifacts not people. Teach about extensively about the artifact and ONLY WARN about the individual,, then it is up to the purchaser after that. Leave out past bad feelings from both.
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Seigfried...Well Put...
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Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. And remember the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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Well Dolos has quite a few more members than 4 now and is growing daily,, I encourage
everyone to stop by for a look-see,, who knows, maybe you will learn something
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Well Dolos has quite a few more members than 4 now and is growing daily,, I encourage
everyone to stop by for a look-see,, who knows, maybe you will learn something
I just did and didn't learn anything new and I will pass. I'm a collector first and wish to talk daggers.............. NOT dealers. People are just throwing free accusations without any proof or tangible evidence. It is easy to blame or make accusations behind a keyboard but I think a good dose of Viagra will do them some good. People really have time to waste.
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I agree with Pat, I enjoy this hobby for the history and not to talk only about dealers so I'll pass!
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everyone to stop by for a look-see,, who knows, maybe you will learn something
With Niblet, I am in agreement. All the planets are now aligned as we are in a redawning of the Age of Aquarius. It is now, that I believe the universe has a center. Thank you young man for enlightening my elder years, with answers to many unanswered questions. It is hard when reality is so straightedged ... and to make that transfer from straighted reality to curly qued dreams is though, and no one I know really believes they have the perseverencene and strength to conquer that. Seemingly Mr. Niblet you have found such men who have attained this higher level of what is relative. I now can stay home and enjoy my last years reading blogs from Gestap`project and do away with church completely. Cheers 
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Pat,,you of all people I thought would enjoy truth,,,Sorry Pat but your wrong,,,,everything about Dolos is based on fact otherwise it gets deleted,,,,thats what makes it unique...,
Thats its mission statement
C'mon over and talk daggers then,,,,and be free to express
your ideas,,and deal in facts
or continue to believe in birdsheads
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Another retard forum, should just call it "MCF 2 Part Dung" Waste of bandwidth.
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Looks like it tubed out. Pretty hard to run a forum on venom.
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