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I never had see before a transitional Eickhorn with the year and the ORIGINAL word together like this one, is it correct?

I've heard different views on that, but in my opinion it's OK. In 1938 they (Eickhorn Company) still used "ORIGINAL" but started to put the year under the RZM code. Later templates were void of the word ORIGINAL. Next stage was skipping the logo. That's why one can find blades produced in the same year both with and without logo. It's similar to "smooth tale" and "serrated tale" thing, both are OK, just different variation.
I assume the whole dagger is free of originality problems, right?

Hi Adam,

Here some pictures from dagger, I think it looks OK:

Sure, it looks really good.

I'm purchasing this dagger, when it arrive I'll post more pictures here.

Thanks and regards,

Ricardo

Ricardo:

I have the following Eickhorn TMs:

1938 Transitional No Original
1938 Transitional with Original
1939 Transitional No Original
Transitional Pre 1938 with Original

Hi John,

Very nice Eickhorn Transitionals collection, no doubts Eickhorn MM variations are a very interesting subject for a research. I find on net this 1940 transitional with the ORIGINAL at a NSKK dagger.



It's the 1st time I see a 1940 transitional too, all 1940 Eickhorn I had see before are late models.

Regards,

Ricardo

Ricardo:

Thank you for showing this.

I would have thought that 1940 on would be RZM only. Maybe, the fact that it is NSKK is a reason? I don't know.

We do know that 1939 was a transitional. Did they switch to RZM only sometime in 1940?

Here are my 1940, 41 and 42 marks on SAs.

John

Nice compilation of transitionals John!! and Ricardo Your recent find is a beauty. I am not a big fan of RZM daggers but yours is very nice,, and that grip is a nice rich color. Your photography is most excellent and really brings out the detail and color. Best Larry

there is the non transitional m7/66 1939 ALSO !
plus the infamous 1939 "rat" logo found on SS daggers "only".
why so many variants = ??? just is.
jeff h.

Hi Jeff,

I think you're talking about this "rat", I don't understand too why so many different logos. It looks to me a strange complication for the production line, may be associated to a different etching job makers.



Regards,

Ricardo

It looks like Mr.Eickhorn was open to every new idea and did enjoy the changes. There is no other edged weapon company logo that existed in so many variations. Different etching companies? Maybe, but that's not the key. The factory guys decided what kind of logo they wanted and etching maker just did the etching according to the design he received.

Unlike the smaller makers,, Eickhorn, had an art and marketing department.

Exactly.

I posted the same question in other forum and people there told me about a theory that daggers with Eickhorn TMs without the "ORIGINAL" word are post-war assembled. I think it's a very polemic theory, what do you think about it?

I have also seen a SA Dagger marking a transitional "Eickhorn" in 1939 but without the word "Original", do you see it right? ...

With all respect to the gentleman who stands behind that theory, to me it's just a theory and being honest I must say it doesn't convince me.

777:

Me too.

I have several SAs and an NSKK without the 'original' in the TM, as well as all my transitional HJ knives (38, 39, 40) and a seated squirrel NPEA. None have the word 'Original'. But, it is fair to say that the vast majority of my seated squirrel Eickhorns do have the word 'Original'.

And, of course, all of my 42 over shoulder marks do as well.

John

I agree Adam, I see too some troubles and some questions without convincent answers in he's theory. But I think too it's important to educate correctly myself to know the opinions from others collector about it.

Regards,

Ricardo

Vassago,

IMO it's correctly periode marked.

Regards,

Ricardo

for the vast amount of over all daggers they made , wounder how many etchers were working in one shift.
I use to do glass etching with chemicals = that was not exactly a fast process. true different chemicals,ect.

lot more question than answers come up if you think about this long enough.
jeff

Ricardo Thanks for your response!

Original

Sepp

I always thought a transitional had both RZM as well as the Eickhorn Logo on them.

If it just has RZM...well it's after the Transitional period???

Two distinct periods of Manufacture?

What say you?

Sepp

Hi Sepp,

I have see double marked daggers undated, from 1938, 1939 and a mysterious NSKK from 1940:



and only RZM marked daggers from 1939, 1940, 1941 and 1942:

Thanks Sepp for the nice photo of a non - dated example !
does the dagger seem to fit with an earlier OR later type parts ??
jeff