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JohnZ #279547 03/19/2013 12:50 AM
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John you certainly have one if not thee finest etched bayonet collections in the world congratulations on the focus to put a collection of this caliber together.


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Here is a short bladed single etch by Klaas.

It has teh slant front bookend and displays a Luftwaffe eagle closest to the crossguard.

You can see this etch on page 229 of Wayne's great book.

John

Obverse.JPG (41.71 KB, 155 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (38.79 KB, 157 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (41.78 KB, 157 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (40.4 KB, 155 downloads)
Obverse Etch rear.JPG (40.92 KB, 155 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.85 KB, 155 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (40.26 KB, 156 downloads)
TM.JPG (40.5 KB, 157 downloads)

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JohnZ #284303 06/22/2013 10:40 AM
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Great thread John.
Ok so here's a question that I've never got a straight answer on. Why done the tip on some bayonets come to a double edge point, like this last one, and on some blades just a normal single edge point? I hope you get my meaning. Was this an option?
Nice Bayo BTW!! wink

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Paul:

I have no ideaas on the edges on the blade tip. Maybe someone out there in GDCland does.

Thanks for your comments, buddy.

You have helped me get many of the nicest items in my collection.

John


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John, it's been kind of nice to sit today and look at some of these threads that I've seen and haven't had a chance to post on. Very outstanding etches. I only have a few factory etches. I wish I had an interest in them back in the '70's when they were resonable and I had no overhead living at home as a kid. It was the fourth page where I saw that you had posted your Hack-Werk.

Here's my only example of Hack-Werk/Klaas Number 1252 pg. 232 Techet. One thing I notice in this type of etch, you will see the "an" before the swaz and after. This one is after.

Regards, Steve.

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JohnZ #284383 06/23/2013 10:05 PM
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JOHN Z , I HAVE A SHORT VERSION OF THE 1264 KLASS PATTERN , I AM WORKING ON PHOTOS . DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THIS PATTERN AND IS THIS A COMMON PATTERN.

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Steve:

That is one nice and rare Hack etch. I have two Hack etches, one made by Pack, the long Japanese style sunray one. The other is a Klaas made Luft etch with the Celtic type bookends and as found on page 195. Yours is the slant edge Luft etch found on page 229.

Bill:

See page one of this thread for pics of my long 1264 model. This etch apttern is rated 'scarce' adn the shorter one would be the harder one to find (IMHO).

John


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Originally Posted By: lakesidetrader
Great thread John.
Ok so here's a question that I've never got a straight answer on. Why done the tip on some bayonets come to a double edge point, like this last one, and on some blades just a normal single edge point? I hope you get my meaning. Was this an option?
Nice Bayo BTW!! wink


I think you are asking about the different blade grinds with one having a false edge on the back and one not. The tips are ground differently by different makers according to their own whims. Generally speaking, the blades with a false edge (double edge at the tip) and a narrow fuller are found on the short KS98 bayonets. The longer KS98 blades were generally made without the false back, that were ground with a sharp angle, and a wide fuller. Having said that, you will find short blades ground without the false edge on some bayonets.


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Now, you have seen this etch on a Herder blade in this thread.

Here is a version of the Klaas etch No. 1252, the so-called Klaas Wide Eagle. This etch, as shown on page 225 of Wayne's book, is listed as common. However, the etch I am showing has extra oak leaves beside each wing, making the etch longer... I guess to fit better on a long blade.

John

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Reverse.JPG (37.11 KB, 87 downloads)
TM.JPG (38.31 KB, 87 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (38.35 KB, 87 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (37.89 KB, 88 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (37.74 KB, 87 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (39.56 KB, 88 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (38.64 KB, 86 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (39.1 KB, 86 downloads)

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JohnZ #286605 08/19/2013 10:08 PM
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A short blade, single etch, no maker, but definitely by Klaas.

This etch has the Nr 2181 styling, but it has a unique right angle slant border at the front of the etch.

This exact etch is pictured in Wayne's book on page 257.

John

Obverse.JPG (39.35 KB, 76 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (38.82 KB, 78 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.44 KB, 76 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.58 KB, 77 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (38.54 KB, 77 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (39.22 KB, 76 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (39.7 KB, 76 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (39.65 KB, 76 downloads)

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JohnZ #297882 05/27/2014 06:05 PM
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Really incredible pieces...i saw for sale on klaas etched bayonet with erfurt panzer dedication very similar to the second on this thread but the dedication was written on 3 lines and there wasn t etched Ges Gesch. .it s possible or are red flags? Thanks a lot

ESG mit Ätzung Erfurt R.Klaas 008.jpg (67.05 KB, 177 downloads)
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Luca:

An interesting variation indeed.

The top borders fo the etch bothe me a bit. Can we see better pcitures of the top and bottom borders as well as both front and back bookends?

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Unfortunately i have only a second pic that will. Not help so much...i ll post all the same
Thanks so much

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John

Just picked this one up. It was on an Auction site and I was the only bidder.





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Nice pick up Terry, I hope you got it for a song.

Steve


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Terry:

It is the same etch as the one in the previous page of this thread.

Nice catch at what I assume to be a bqargain price.

John


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Pattern 1264 in the Klaas catalogue was a unique etch that is both simple and elegant. The difference between the short and the long versions of this etch lies in the addition of extra oak leaves to lengthen the etch pattern.

Here is the short one.

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Reverse.JPG (39.72 KB, 85 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.78 KB, 84 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.39 KB, 85 downloads)
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Etch.JPG (40.1 KB, 84 downloads)
Etch Front.JPG (39.27 KB, 85 downloads)
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Here are the two 1264 patterns on a short and a long blade each.

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Klaas pattern 2181 typically shows potted plant bookends along with an army helmet with oak leaves and a Heer eagle, with the eagle being closest to the crossguard.

This is the Luftwaffe version of that etch. The difference is that there is a Luftwaffe eagle closest to the crossguard.

It is of interest to note that Klaas later made this etch with their Celtic style bookends, but that the order of the eagle and helmet was reversed so that the helmet was closest to the crossguard (you can see a version of this on a Hack marked bayonet in Wayneès book on page 195).

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Obverse Grip.JPG (39.29 KB, 78 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (41.01 KB, 79 downloads)
TM.JPG (38.59 KB, 79 downloads)
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There were two etch patterns that used Celtic type bookends with the 2181 helmet and stubby eagle interior pattern.

This one is a long bladed single etch dedication to Inf Regt 71. You can find this exact etch on page 228 of Wayne's book. It differs from the other version of this etch (on page 227B) by the addition of some flourishes underneath the helmet and the eagle.

Here it is and a picture of the pg 227 etch to Panzer Regt 1 for comparison.

John

Obverse.JPG (39.24 KB, 72 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (41.46 KB, 72 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.84 KB, 73 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.55 KB, 72 downloads)
TM.JPG (41.02 KB, 71 downloads)
Etch.JPG (39.65 KB, 72 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (41.01 KB, 72 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (40.36 KB, 72 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.98 KB, 71 downloads)

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Here is an item that I believe is the rarest of etch dedications.

It is a short, single etch found on a RA Herder marked blade. With the typical Klaas Celtic type bookends and a Luftwaffe droop tailed eagle, the dedication is to the 2nd Fallschirmjagerdivsion. Now, who has heard of an etch to the parachute regiment?

Definitely one of a kind and thanks to Wayne Techet, it is now residing in the Great White North.

And, as an added bonus, the frog is marked as well.

John

Obverse.JPG (41.05 KB, 67 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.79 KB, 67 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.77 KB, 68 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.93 KB, 66 downloads)
TM.JPG (38.97 KB, 67 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39 KB, 66 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (39.79 KB, 65 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (39.95 KB, 66 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (39.92 KB, 66 downloads)
TM Frog.JPG (41.98 KB, 66 downloads)

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John,

Just plain amazing!! Just when I think you've acquired "thee" crown jewel of your collection, well, along comes another knockout!! It's one looker in pristine condition. And yes, the frog is the icing on the cake. As always, thanks for sharing.

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Klaas made two versions of slant front bookends, the difference is in the direction of the slant.

Here is one on a Wingen marked blade with the slant direction from bottom of etch to top. You can see this version in Wayne's great book on pg 232B.

I also show you the other version of the slant direction.

John

Obverse.JPG (43.32 KB, 45 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (42.64 KB, 47 downloads)
TM Anton Wingen Jr.JPG (43.4 KB, 45 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (42.67 KB, 45 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (43.97 KB, 43 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (42.22 KB, 43 downloads)
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Obverse Etch.JPG (44.13 KB, 40 downloads)

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