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hello, what are yalls opinions on this numbering/lettering?
thanks
john

I would say it looks to me like it was done by the original owner.

Dave

The lettering and numbers on the wood grip may be from the original owner, but the crossguard was professionally done.

Very rare to se an SA with owners name and number, but I am curious to what the "125" signifies,, maybe an SA Standarte? Looks great can we see more photos and a pic of the maker. 2 photos are a tease

Very nice and interesting dagger. Would like to see the rest of it!
Rod

hello, here are some more pictures of the dagger, what do yall think?

more pictures

more pictures

Beautiful dark motto and maker mark!! IMO it is in a perfect state of uncleaned. Love it that way!! F.Dick had a couple of mottos but this one is that runs parallel to the spine is nice. Its present condition really tells a story. Leave it well alone. Although a very common maker, it still hard to find this one with this type of motto,, at least for me. Nice one!! Best Larry

Looks like it might be a ground Rohm dagger

Yes, a factory reground Rohm IMO.

The maker mark is not in the right place to have a Rohm dedication,nats

I was under the impression that the Rohm inscription was found on both versions of this maker's daggers. Am I wrong ?

Dave

No your not wrong Dave as I had an F.Dick Rohm dagger , like the one pictured on the left with the motto sitting in that position. It was a factory regrind with half the logo gone and a slightly shimmered spine. I never saw any Pack daggers with The Siegfried logo close to the crossguard that were Rohm inscriptions. I never saw a Pack dagger with the Siegfried logo close to the guard and "if" they did make them then they made them the same way as F.Dick.

F Dick also used there trade mark horizontal on Rohm daggers,nats

I do not think this is a ground dagger, some of the elements are missing. I am certain that the "DICK" logo did not run parallel to the blade but across the blade so as to make room for the inscription.
It is still a nice dagger though and I agree the markings are period.

Nats dagger above shows what I feel is a ground one.

So what would you make of this?
http://www.wwiidaggers.com/31613.htm
and this?
http://www.wwiidaggers.com/25945.htm
I wish I still had mine to post better pics but first link I posted shows a little bit of the Inscription left on the blade of the logo running parralel to the blade.
The dagger posted by Militaryman I have to agree that it is not a ground Rohm, but the ones Nats posted especially the with some of the Logo ground off is. This only pertains to F.Dick parralel logo as I also understand sometimes Ground Rohms can be faked also as is other ground examples. So again why cant it be a ground Rohm as I posted above in regards to Pack Rohms?

I may be out on a limb here but most all of the partial Rohm daggers I have owned and the ones I still own have the Motto shifted towards the tip.
So laying two daggers side by side you will easily identify the Rohm with out seeing the dedication side. I dont see the motto on this one shifted.

Because these "Ground" daggers go for a little more money anyone can make any dagger appear ground with a file and a few marking implements.

It may in fact not be the case with all daggers and there will indeed be some that have the MM in the ususal place but I am certain the motto will always be towards the tip slightly. I am of the opinion that the wax mask was a one piece affair when the blade was made.
Applying both the dedication and motto to a blade at the same time. There may be cases where an exisiting dagger was returned to have the dedication applied in which case this would not be so. The person making these masks balanced the motto with the dedication, hence the slight shift.

So I may miss a few genuine ground daggers but I feel safer when I can measure the Motto distance from the lower X guard and see a difference.

This is just my opinion and there is a good chance I am not 100% correct but I up there somewhere. So there is no need to start posting Pictures of fully dedicated daggers with a motto in the correct position. This is just something I do so I do not get burnt.

Point well taken!,,but many of us have seen partially ground Dick Rohms with the maker logo running parallel to the spine. I have no qualms about how they were applied and measured distance but just answering a statement that was made that F.Dick didnt make dedications with the logo in question. Attention to detail is everything in this hobby as I do agree also that no one should get burned. Until it is proven fact that this logo in question was not used for a dedication then I cant dismiss it as being in-authentic. Some amazing things still continue to surface regarding this hobby and there will always be alot of unanswered questions. The Chained SS itself and its variations ( including some SA group marks found on them, which is still questionable) still dominate conversations on all forums. Now I am going out on a limb,, sorry about that Cheers Larry