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Hi. I am new to the forum and this is my first post. I have a few German Daggers, maybe 16 or so and I dont know a lot about them as they were past on to me 30 years plus ago and have been in storage ever since. I wanted to try and get any information I can about them and an estimated value of each if you guys dont mind? The photos came out darker than I wanted but I can take better shots if needed. Any all help would be greatly appreciated, thank you! Starting from left to right I will list the makers as its hard to see in these photos. 1) Gebr. Heller Nr. 9743 2) RZM M7/36 3) Paul Weversberg & co., Solinger 4) Clenen & Jung, Solinger 5) Wedi Solingen    
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I can tell you that number two (RZM M7/36 with Himmler dedication) is a poor fake.
Eickhorn is the only producer of Himmler daggers and never with an RZM mark.
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Bad news. The are post-war reproductions of little or no value  Sorry Dave
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Maybe he's kidding? Hope so!
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Dave, please tell me you are not serious?
I've taken better photos of these tonight and was going to post tomorrow.
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Unfortunately he is serious theyre all bad, How did you manage to come accross so many??? I hope you didnt pay too much for them.
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hello
sorry for you , all are bad fake, when you buy germans daggers ask avised collectors before! with this piecs this is more easy well know fake!
greetings
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Anyone else smell a rat here? I recall someone else with 'lord' as part of their username.............or am I paranoid?
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FUR EHR' UND PFLICHT BIS HERZ UND KLINGE BRICHT
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Paul:
In this hobby, paranoia is a survival trait.
I recall the 'Lord' something or other.. always had some interesting fakes for us to look at.
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The Teno looks ok from what i can see, although i dont have one i cant say for sure.
Good luck with the rest!
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And, maybe, the Heer and the Luft2.
The others are really strange.
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I only saw upto the Teno when i posted, as John says the heer and 2nd luft may also be good!! and i have to also say what a weird concoction of daggers.
Did you get them all from the same source?
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Yes, it was from a family member.
I dont know the daggers by name........can you tell me the number so I can place the names with the photos please?
Also if theres obvious things that point to them being replicas I would like to know as well. I read the replica posts here and I dont see the same kinda problems with Daggers 1-5 as I have seen in photos of here.
Thank you for the help.
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i-5 all fake.6 is a teno leader that looks to be wrong as well.7 is an army officers dagger looks to be ok.8 is a 2nd patt luft that looks ok.9 fake.10 is rad leader looks ok.11 & 12 fake.13 poss real early kreigs. 14 i dont like the look of poss parts dagger.15 1938 railway leaders dagger probably wrong i dont like the maker. 16 is a railway water protection police dagger again poss wrong.
hope this helps
And if any has more comments please say as i am not an expert on the rarer daggers
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What exactly is wrong with dagger 01?
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What exactly is wrong with dagger 01? Everything! Ouch! Well it seems to me that the only 'period original' daggers you have there is the Army #7, and the Luftwaffe #8. The Luftwaffe (airforce) dagger has some condition issues so under $1,000 for the pair. The rest are fakes circa 1968 to 1976 IMHO. it's the time period we saw the majority of the Plumacher maker marks on these repros. I believe the company was bought in the late 60's for the exclusive and unrestricted use of fake (post-war) dagger blade production and the misc parts. The labor leader looks like it also has a Plumacher blade so I would put that one as a fake too. Although Plumacher was indeed a legit blade co. during the 3rd Reich. -Serge-
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I have to say most of these daggers are high end repros, and if they were all real you would probably have enough money to buy a small castle with land!!!(just one of them would buy you a nice fast new car). I think the family member you got them from must have been collecting repros for some reason, i find it highly unlikely that they didnt know that most of these daggers wernt real.
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Here are a couple of pics of a high end repo I own. It is unclear as to where these were made but they have been around since the 60s.
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The Teno looks ok from what i can see, although i dont have one i cant say for sure.
Good luck with the rest! And, maybe, the Heer and the Luft2.
The others are really strange.
John I agree that these daggers can be original, in fact it seems to me, but I distrust the rest ...
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Mr. Atwood was having stuff like this made in the late 50s & 1960s OUT OF GERMANY. early spanish made items were actually high end quality also. NOT saying this is a fake, could be from parts too. I've got to of the honor types one SS ,other SA. handles are plastic but, the rest is nice quality.
over the years there has been other rare or one of a kind items that surfaced ....JUST ME , but have doubts that some of them are actually pre -45. jeff
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I have owned this dagger for many years. It seems to me and, this has been confirmed by others who have handled it, that perhaps some of the parts are pre-1945. However the blade and case are clearly of post war construction. Maybe I'll bring it to the MAX or SOS next year. it still makes a neat display and I don't mind people handling it which is something I probably wouldn't do with a period example.
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Jim: Maybe you can interest some dealer in buying a 'rare prototype' Honor dagger?  John
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Jim: Maybe you can interest some dealer in buying a 'rare prototype' Honor dagger? John A dealer? Now that a real scary thought John!! Jim
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Wow: You've got the double whammy whiz bang crossguard model there! Jim 
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Where do you find these gems 
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Boy, Miliatria 321 sure has cornered the high end market. 
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Wow, he got these 30+ years ago or so. I didn't know that they gave this junk away that early when you managed to hit bull's eye in the shooting parlour at the fairground :-). He's grandpa must have had a fair and steady shot !
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I agree most are fake. The design of the "oak leaf" cross guards is wrong, as is the pebbling of the leather. The "damascus" or damascus blades have the incorrect pattern. This is just for starters. There are other indications here and there I won't go into. I agree the army and luftwaffe daggers appear to be original. I wouldn't get too depressed about these. You can probably get $100, maybe several hundred, apiece for some of them from the right buyer. I wouldn't advertise them all at once, especially the ones that are alike or similar. Be sure to note they are reproductions, but are of good quality. Some collectors may be looking for "fillers" for their collections, some may just want a display piece or two. Find a good online auction (not eBay!) that sells militaria.
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The 09 is Chinese make to my knowledge. They are for sale for12,99. So not much of a fortune there.
Just imagining getting a heritage like that that is all period...
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