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Hi guys
I think that these two bayonets are among the first
edged weapons of Epack company.
Or am I wrong?
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Are they dated?
According to Fisher's Reference, Pack was established in 1909.
Last edited by Denny Gaither; 01/21/2011 06:12 PM.
WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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These are New Model S89/05nA bayonets. The old model ones with "ears" would be earlier.
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Thanks guys
Denny only Pack-Ohliger is dated 1917
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Orpo
Did Epack produced the old models with ears?
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Orpo
Did Epack produced the old models with ears?
Thanks Cito was a Pack trademark. It appears that they made both plain and sawback old model S98/05aA in 1915 and new model S98/05nA in 1916. These were marked with the Cito stamp. Since your Pack-Ohliger marked nA is dated 1917 I presume they started using the Pack name then. What is the date on your Cito marked bayonet?
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Orpo
On the CITO spine is letter S or number 8,hard to say.
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Are there any inspection marks on the guard, pommel, or screwbolts of this bayonet? I have seen some S98/05 without dates or stamps that I presume were commercial products. This may be what you have in this Cito marked bayonet.
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Only inspection marks are on the pommel.
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Well, it seems it was an item of issue at some point in time since it is not condemned. I would guess it was made in 1915-16 but perhaps the spine markings were removed and the "S" or "8" added at some point. It could even be the remains of a poorly stamped and partially ground "18" I suppose. According to Carter the Cito mark was used in 1915 & 1916 while the Pack-Ohliger & Co. mark was used in 1916 & 1917 on nA bayonets only. There is still a lot that is unknown about these S98/05 bayonets and their wartime modifications.
You have two nice ones though.
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It's been a while since I've seen any 98/05 bayos with the Cito and Cito-Coln commercial markings of EP&S,but I'm sure that these examples had no other markings on them.It seems strange to have produced such pieces during wartime,but I guess that this will always remain something of a mystery.
Every reference I've seen regarding Pack Ohliger & Co suggests that they were retailers or at best assemblers of ready made parts. There doesn't seem to have been any connection with EP&S itself,other than some family link perhaps.
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Chris
This picture is from Fisher quick reference book.
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Yes,I'm afraid I'll have to tuck the tail well between the legs on this one. Just to rub salt into my self inflicted wound I've just been gazing at images of a beautiful Imperial Kraftfahr Korps dagger that has Pack's blacksmith logo with P.O&Co underneath. Pictures definitely speak louder than words!!!
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I believe that Pack-Ohliger & Co were a separate company from E-Pack & Sohne until around 1923 when E Pack took over the company.
Gary
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