UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum Any info on my NSKK dagger

Just bought this dagger and would like some info if possible .
Many thanks

It looks correct. It is an NSKK by Arthur Evertz, Solingen. The scabbard paint might have been refinish as the gloss seems to be too much, though that could just be lighting or pictures? The crossguards are usually plated and I cannot tell whether yours are. I see the earlier looking nickle silver eagle but that is not overly uncommon to find. Otherwise it looks like a fair example.. Grats!!

Appears to have a quarter cut oak hilt that I would expect to find on an earlier dagger with nickel fittings

I agree with AJ normally the wood on the rzm's are the cheap looking wood. Though the earlier rzm can possible have the better wood. I personally wouldn't want it because it certainly isn't textbook. Though that doesn't mean it's bad. If anything it could have been parted together? May never know..

Hi all,

Nice dagger! Fits are fairly OK on the dagger, no? Graic Gottlieb has a 7/85 Arthur Evertz for sale right now ... heres the grip, for comparison? It looks more slender, or thin? Still, also good wood? Maybe 7/85 had different grip suppliers?

Sincerely,
KR

My 7/85 has slimmer hilt less chunky crossguards yours look like Eickhorn ones and the RZM logo is reverse etch i.e RZM and circle remain proud not etched in and 7/85 muvch finer on mine

Hello Lee, I'm with AJ regarding the makers-mark. I own an example by this maker and have attached a pic of what the mark should look like. Also, the motto appears too far down the blade [towards the tip]. It should be 25 m/m from the crossguard. At best, a parts dagger. At worst, a parts dagger with a fake blade. I would return it were I you. JMO, Leipzig

Regrettably, the above is my sense of it also. FP

Rogers pic is just like mine think you have at best a spanish repro send it back if you can

Oh my ... next to Lepizigs makersmark, Lee, your mark looks a bit off, yes ... I wasnt paying proper attention? I didnt expect SA daggers to be faked like this? Ive seen some on ebay, but, the blades always were thinner, the makersmarks easy to spot, + often the blades had (probably fake) leather buffers? I never saw an SA faked like this? Does it happen a lot? Or ... is there realy no chance a dagger is good, or partsed?

Not totally fake just the blade the rest looks OK to me parts dagger

Yes there is so much more wrong with this with close evaluation. That's why I hate to give my opinion on here and would much rather see something in person to get a real true look at the item so to speak. Since your perception can be off a lot just because of picture quility, etc... Though with a close look at this I now notice how it has a really high ridged spine to the blade which is a bad sign. Also the RZM etch is really poor and even more so when you compare it to a good one like Roger's. I've pictured them side by side to compare. So I want to withdraw my original assertion which was wrong. I was to quick to analyze which just made me look like a dummy. :P After carefully analyzing it I say you probably have a parts dagger with junk blade. Spanish repro?

Adam!!! Youre not a dummy, silly! Just look at what you write everywhere, we know you know your stuff, we all learn from it! Anyone thinking you dont know about things, needs to read up 1st! Dont you dummy down yourself mister! We n00bs are here for people like you Anyhow, seriously, this reproing is confusing, is this a new'ish activity? I never seen it, but, maybe Im not here long enuff? Are there any more to show? Or maybe better pics?

Sincerely,
KR

Thanks Karin. I was actually trying to kid a little bit but when I read back through it I suppose it doesn't come off that way. lol All well.

Cheers,

Just a couple more pics just to make doubly sure before emailing the dealer who sold me the dagger, some how think he wont be too helpfull, iam having a really bad week been sold 2 duds , managed to get a refund on the repro Eickhorn dagger bag, perhaps i should stick to bayonetsit can only get better?

Lee, If this dagger is from a dealer and you are not happy then providing you have just purchased it you should be able to return it for a refund.
I am sorry but any dealer who does not offer a refund if not satisfied (providing the time limit is short, say 7 days) should be named and shamed!
If you have had the piece for a while then I can understand a refund may not be forthcoming.
For the record my gut feeling is this is a parts dagger with a re worked grip.

Good luck
Ian

Hi Lee,

Here and here, youll see another dagger with the motto close to the tip? That blade is shortened/retipped/reshaped ... How long is your blade? It ~should~ be about 22.5 centimeters/8.9 inches from the hilt/crossguards downwards to the tip.

Maybe it doesnt matter much, the makermark looks "worked". And, allthough Im not really sure what I mean with that? It made people suspicious. The motto looks out of center, but that doesnt realy mean much, there is a topic on that here.

Did this dagger come from the same seller you bought the other stuff you returned from?

Sincerely,
KR

Hi,

I made some pictures comparations between Lee Cousens's, Roger's and a third Arthur Everts sample dagger pictures I have find on net some times ago. Using 3,3cm as blade base measure for the 3 daggers I find the measures below:

Lee Cousens dagger:

Motto distance from crossguard = 4,0cm

RZM distance from crossguard = 2,0cm

Roger dagger:

Motto distance from crossguard = No Picture

RZM distance from crossguard = 1,3cm


Net sample dagger:

Motto distance from crossguard = 2,5cm

RZM distance from crossguard = 1,5cm





Ok, may be there are some distortions on pictures, but the differences are very significatives between Lee Cousens dagger and the other.

I dont like Lee Cousens dagger grip too, the shape looks different from the others two and seems to me the net sample has an aluminium eagle.





Conclusion: For the reasons above, I don't like this dagger.

After looking at a lot of SAs you can tell this piece is not quite right though it may take a while to figure out why. IMO The eagle isignia seems too big/fat and the grip where it meets the upper fitting is misshaped, perhaps too thick at the neck. The grip IMO has been treated to look old and seems out of place even on a faked RZM marked blade.

Just emailed the dealer and we will see what happens next.
Could i say thanks to everone for your help

Good news the very fair dealer has said he will refund my money and has asked me to add to the forum that i paid �275 for the dagger.

Great news Lee.
Glad it turned out well for you.
Best wishes,
Ian

NICE work Ricardo!

Yay! Congrats Lee! 275, still much money for a grip that ~might be~ OK + a scabbard in soso condition ... Anyway, Im sorry for yer losses, good thing this 1 can be returned ... maybe, spend less by hunting for parts, which takes loads of time, to find correct matching parts? Youll learn SO much on daggers + what to look for. Or save a little while, to buy a dagger you truly love, and isnt a partsmonster. There are WAY awesome daggers around, not in best conditions, but still very satisfying. Anyhow, just trying to make the pain a bit less. Kudos for the dealer too, I guess! Your weekend starts out OK, no?

Sincerely,
KR