#21746
02/23/2010 08:35 AM
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Hi I have an J.sch K98 Bayonet with RED Handles. Does anybody know why this is so ?
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#21747
02/23/2010 11:48 AM
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Some late war bayonets were made with reddish colored bakelite. Best bet is to post some pics.
MAZZ
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#21748
02/23/2010 06:08 PM
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Could have been replaced during a refurbishment or even post war.
What year is the bayonet ?
Regards
Richie
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#21749
02/23/2010 06:51 PM
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Almost certainly later replacements. I believe that Jetter u. Scheerer (aka: "S/245" & "dnw") got out of bayonet manufacturing in 1941 - never having used the later issue red/reddish Bakelite handles. Concentrating instead on its core business of medical/surgical equipment. FP
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#21750
02/23/2010 07:17 PM
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Hello all was mentioned by Fred P. there is small possibility of original red plastic grips on J.Sch marked bayonet, only way a late war rework? best regards,Andy
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#21751
02/23/2010 10:59 PM
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#21752
02/23/2010 11:01 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Fred Prinz (aka "Frogprince"):.. Jetter u. Scheerer (aka: "S/245" & "dnw") ...
Fred, have you (or anyone else) ever seen or owned a bayonet of this maker marked with "dnw"?
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#21753
02/23/2010 11:46 PM
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No, the "dnw" code does not exist (to the best of my knowledge) on service/issue bayonets. But with medical equipment for the Wehrmacht that is another matter, which was the point I was trying to get across. John Walter listed "dnv" in his excellent book "The German Bayonet". Along with a handful of some other erroneously reported codes - which IMO does not really detract that much as compared with the wealth of good information that he presented.
With the Fertigungskennzeichen (Manufacturer's factory/identification marking) "dnw" itself being adopted circa April 1941. With, from known specimens, 1941 itself being a viable date for Jetter u. Scheerer marked bayonets, but not the red grips which were vintage 1943 and later. FP
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#21754
02/24/2010 07:04 AM
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Hello, looks like replacement grips.
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#21755
02/24/2010 10:49 PM
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quote: Originally posted by AndyB:
Hello, looks like replacement grips.
Yep, Andy, the red bakelite grips have been replaced at this bayonet. But I have no idea when this was done ... pre 1945 or post 1945.
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#21756
02/24/2010 10:50 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Fred Prinz (aka "Frogprince"):
No, the "dnw" code does not exist (to the best of my knowledge) on service/issue bayonets. But with medical equipment for the Wehrmacht that is another matter, which was the point I was trying to get across. John Walter listed "dnv" in his excellent book "The German Bayonet". Along with a handful of some other erroneously reported codes - which IMO does not really detract that much as compared with the wealth of good information that he presented.
With the Fertigungskennzeichen (Manufacturer's factory/identification marking) "dnw" itself being adopted circa April 1941. With, from known specimens, 1941 itself being a viable date for Jetter u. Scheerer marked bayonets, but not the red grips which were vintage 1943 and later. FP
Thanks for the information!
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#21757
02/25/2010 08:05 AM
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Hi Ivebaust , yes it look very similar but not as red... i will post some pics soon, the blade is polished metal colour and its 1940 issue, I checked the bayonet rarity codes and it comes up with it being in the rarest category of makers and production .. So are the grips real or fake ?
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#21758
02/25/2010 05:19 PM
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The red grips are not fakes, with the deeper/darker colors seeming to be earlier, and being more of an orange with the later issues. I think that Jetter u. Scheerer is one of the harder to find makers, but would defer to Andy's considerable expertise as to its rarity as compared to some of the other bayonet makers.
PS: As (IMO) an interesting piece of additional information, Jetter u. Scheerer had some other trade names, including that of "Aesculap" which is seen on some political and other daggers. FP
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#21759
02/28/2010 09:02 AM
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does anybody know how much this bayonet I have is worth ?
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#21760
02/28/2010 10:21 PM
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quote: Originally posted by coldsteel62:
does anybody know how much this bayonet I have is worth ?
That depends on if the bayonet and scabbard have matching numbers.Do they match? Is there a frog?
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#21761
03/02/2010 11:46 AM
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Hi Mate, Yes the numbers match and there is a frog.. whats your opinion ?
cheers
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#21762
03/02/2010 02:49 PM
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If everything is in excellent condition anywhere from $150 to $250 is what I see them at shows.
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