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i bought this nylon knot ,sold as a navy one, to go on a km dagger i am happy its period ,i think, but the insert in the accorn is straight not spirral like all my other km knots
my questions are
were army or luftwaffe knots ever made of nylon?
could this be a navy not ? even though the insert is "wrong"
do you think its period?
thanks

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Knots that have the spiral insert to the ball are the only knots accepted as being Navy by the majority of collectors. This is because most Navy daggers obtained directly from vets and having knots that are "frozen" in place have this spiral. Also, Imperial Navy knots have the spiral.

All silver bullion knots that I know of have the spiral and all of these are Navy for sure.

But--some Army daggers can be found with the aluminum version with the spiral--so--possibly not correct even though they may be original to the piece. Also, some Navy daggers can be found with knots without the spiral-again, possibly not correct but original to the piece. Adding to this is the fact that Navy knots are usually a bit longer than Army knots and some knots without the spiral are indeed longer.

Also-there is no catalog or regulation covering this aspect that I know of

Nylon knots can be found in all lengths

I know of no spiral insert short knots

From what I can see your knot appears original.

I think that covers everything we know. Conclusion is that most would rather have the spiral version for their Navy daggers.

thanks houston
all my km have spiral knots
but do you get nylon ,like this one, army or luftwaffe knots?

I have only had one original navy water resistant knot. I believe the correct name for the material was celleon. This did have the spiral insert and was a light golden hue. I have seen daggers with other types and most frequently they have a thicker cord. I have always suspected them to be post war additions & would not buy one myself.

To answer you question there would be no reason for any other dagger to have a water resistant knot and if there were it would not be correct in my opinion.

Sorry-but period examples do exist. The water resistant idea has no basis in fact IMO. Many pieces of insignia were made of this nylonish material in the war years. Tarnish resistant is more likely the idea.

What is a ballpark figure on these?There is two of these in a local auction next week?They are in mint cond.What to bid?
Thanks,
dan46

$175

dan46 I thought you just bought two at a estate sale??? I guess you now finally have the answer to your question. Regards: James

Yes,I did.Was trying to find out if I paid to much?I paid $75 for ea.I paid$300 for the Kreigsmarine hangers.Will post them when I get them.The auction will mail them to me this week.i guess I did OK.
dan46