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Here are some images of the piece I was kindly helped with recently. Anyone hazard a guess as to value? (No scabb...)

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I think I commented on this earlier without pics. Yours appears to be an India made example still very nice come with black or brown grip. Where once very common on the collector market but have really dried up and are now very scarce.Without scabbard easy 80 to 100.00

PAUL

Thanks again, Paul.

But I don't see the listed mark(s) that are a giveaway to its Indian origin (maybe the "circle P" on the ricasso?

PLus it's stamped "ENGLAND" on the pommel. Does that only mean that while made by an Indian concern, it's really meant for "the forces of England?" A bit confusing for the newbie! I much appreciate the patience...

Do no see the England stamp which alone means for export and probably to India or Pakistan. A model for British consumption would use the broad arrow.

regards PAUL

English bayonets do not say England, it coudl be a US import as they had to state country of origin, or copy where they can say anything. I woudln't mind one of these for my collection to add to all of the correct ones i have (there are three colours of hilt, two red and a black but the two reds are different in the amount of fabric filler they use.)

Circle P is Poole arsenal mark and is a correct UK marking

not so smitty the sykes fairbourne at least one type is stamped England and that was made there for consumption outside the ISLE

REGARDS paul

You answered this yourself, it was made for use outside of the UK. The US required items to be marked with the country of origin as i said. What i said was that UK bayonets are not marked England (it would be a big problem as the Scottish, Irish and Welsh would be more than a little upset) bit like calling the USA Alaska!!!

I don't know whether you just want the last word here or what but these bayonets where made for British army use but where not accepted eccept for some experimental ones and special issues the remainder where farmed out thus the markings. as for the others such as the sykes it was made in england issued in england to many subordinate units of different nationality. The use of the england stamping would denote sell outside the commonwealth which did not happen.

PAUL

Not after last word, but look at my colelction you will see Indian MkII with England stamp, 1866 Chassepot with Belgium and other similarly marked items. The mark in these cases indicates the country that the Americans put on the blade as they were exported from there and not the country that made them.

The No7 was not widely accepted but it was issue in the UK. If i wanted the last word I would have questioned Sykes Fairburn as I have always seen it written Fairburn Sykes and they were made for none UK units as there was a limited one made for the US special forces during WWII, and commercial ones made post war are marked made in England as required by customs rules.

Thanks, guys - this gives new meaning to the expression, "out of my depth!"