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Gentlemen,
Anyone have any idea who used this maker mark? It's similar to one attributed to Herman Wernstein but not the same.......
It's on a 1938 DRL Leistungsabzeichen.
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"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
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The whole reverse for anyone interested.
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And I suppose while I'm here I may as well post the obverse as well 
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Don, nice acquisition! Not a mark I am familiar with, but I will hit my books.
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 If you squint your eyes and use my wild imagination, it somewhat resembles the Munich coat of arms logo. Sorry, that was no help what so ever. Still looking! --dj--Joe
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You've been hitting that bottle of Wild Turkey again haven't you Joe  Thanks anyway. Don
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Thinking on line. Wild, Hamburg. W. Hobacher, Wien. Hauptm�nzamt, Wien. (doubtfull). Hermann Wernstein. _, Hannover. ? _, Wuppertal. ? Still looking. Wonder if it shows up among tinnie manufacturers? --dj--Joe
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Thanks Joe.
The image below was posted on another forum & mooted as possibly being William Hobacher......
Cheers
Don
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Don, you have jogged my memory. I recall seeing that a while back and thinking then it was an interesting mark and an educated guess. Like my speculations. There are so many unknown manufacturers. --dj--Joe
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Back around. Any updates?
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A wild guess here but you could be on the right track about Hermann Wernstein. As you know the familiar W with the 5 dots above it has been now attributed to another maker. When you look closely at the MM you have shown it appears to me that the inside markings are in fact a H joining onto the the outside W. Yeah I know back to the old schnapps bottle for me but its worth a try. Phil
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Hi guys, Philippe and a few of us over at the GCA forum think that this could be the real Herman Wernstein mark, but we still don't know for sure. As PJS says, the "w with 5 small dots" has been attributed to the Wiedmann company. Tom Close Combat Clasp Book - November 15th, 2007 www.papjay.com
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Tom, has the WH mark in question been noted on a war or qualification badge?
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Thanks for the input guys.
Cheers
Don
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Hi Joe,
No, not that we have seen yet. It was only found on that mini shown above.
Tom
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Thanks Tom.
Don, do you have an image of the other mark you were searching for? NR or RN in an oval.
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Yes Joe I'll dig it out & post it later.
Cheers
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Thanks Don. Any one have ideas?
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Hi guys, That is a new one for me. Can we see the entire obverse and reverse? Maybe hardware setup can give us some clues. Tom Close Combat Clasp Book - November 15th, 2007 www.papjay.com
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This mark was used on a large variety of organisational badges. I've chosen this particular badge to use as the "test" or "comparison" piece as this design was used both pre & post RZM. I live in the hope that I can find an RZM marked piece that shows the exact same obverse die markings.....  Cheers Don a.jpg (17.16 KB, 118 downloads)
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reverse in full
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Don, you discovered who HB in a shield under a crown represents did you not?
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Indeed I have Joe it's Hermann Bauer of Schw�bisch, Gm�nd.
Unfortunately I don't have a clear shot of my own of the maker mark on a badge to post at this time.
Cheers
Don
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Back around for more review.
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One more time around. Hoping for more input. Anyone have ideas?
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The one on the RDB badge above I've since found out is for Raymond & Nichols....
Don
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Perseverance paid off Don. You searched for that maker mark for a long time.
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yes, thats big news,, Raymond & Nichols.. Good work Don!
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