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Anyone bidding on this should be very careful.
This NAPOLA dagger being listed at the moment on Ebay seems to be.....controversial.

I've looked at my own Napola and ,Ron's book and the marking doesn't seem proper.
I actually find those letters too "fat".

I'm sure Ron could help.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEAUTIFUL-UNKNOWN-WWII-GERMAN-DAGGE...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good advice Pat, I don't like it either. The scabbard is probably fake as well, as the lug looks a little bit too long. Small pictures sure help the sellers of questionable items!

John

I'm normally a bayonet guy. Just found out that this is a Political School Dagger, M.1935. I've never seen one before. I would like to see some other examples, considering some people seem to think that this is a fake.

The one thing I can contribute is noticing that the frog is Luft marked. I'm guessing that this is totally wrong, thus contributing more to the notion that this is a fake.

A couple of questions: has anyone seen any other examples that are known fakes? Did they have a specific type of frog?

I quit collecting 3rd Reich because of things like this. Now, I really don't know about this dagger, but if I had a nickel for every time an "expert" stated the ol' "this doesn't look like my example, and therefore must be fake" while studying something that turned out to be right. Stating that something is fake without having proof is a rather big leap, isn't it?

Not when the opinions are from two of the most knowledgable individuals in this hobby.Good spot on the Luftwaffe marking of the frog

Nathaniel, you are smart to want to know more. Check this link, there are some photos of original maker marks in the thread:

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/812094573/m/8180004874/p/2



or search under the misc daggers for NPEA, a goldmine of info!

Best, John


Thanks for the compliment AJ! I'm still learning too..that's the fun and challenge.

Thanks guys! Please understand that I certainly respect everyone's opinion (until they prove themselves to be idiots anyway!). But when approaching the subject of fakes, I like to be as objective and questioning as possible, especially in the realm of 3rd Reich militaria. Often there are many alterior motives at work.

Thanks for the links!! It's always nice to learn new things!

It's back.

This was purchased for $3176 by "wobbly-box" on April 27th. Now wobbly has it back up on Ebay (#220236955782) with a starting bid of $49.99!

I'm guessing that he wasn't too happy with his purchase. Oh well, spread the misery.

He's using the same photos from the seller whom he bought it from. I guess he figures, "this guy got avoided the fLeabay gestapo, hence I will as well if I use the same photos.....even though i'm out 3K".

Could it be that Wobbly was shilling bids and got caught out so now its up again with an apparent bargain starting price to tempt the unwary IMO

I completely agree with AJ, there's some sort of horsecrap afoot IMO.

so -- for all of you who THINK you are sure of what i am doing,i am not a shill bidder and i did not get caught. i bought this dagger thinking it was legit, i am still not sure it isn't, but i am not 100% sure it is, so i decided to resell it. there were several others who also may have thought the same, unless i was run up by a shill. i put it back on ebay with the same pics because my camera was down, i have since added more. my auction on ebay states that i recently bought the dagger and am not sure of its authenticity. if it is good, someone will get a steal, if not, then they aren't out the 3000 i lost, so if you want to call that "spreading the misery", that is up to you. and thanks to whoever it was that "warned me" about the dagger after the sale ended....

Sorry, what you're saying doesn't add up on a lot of fronts. If you had/have questions about the dagger's veracity, why didn't you return the piece to the seller? Why didn't you open a grievance with Eban? If you paid with Paypal, why didn't you do a chargeback on your credit card? And despite all the foregoing, why did you still insist on giving the seller a positive feedback?

There was something else I noticed as well. You're supposedly from Boston. The dagger's original seller, "Norac2", is supposedly from Ontario. Isn't it a little unusual that an Eban account in the name of "Norac122" was opened a month ago, still with "0" feedback, supposedly in Massachusetts? It's all a little too convenient.

ok - lets do this one line at a time
first - i asked the seller as the dagger was in the bidding about its origin, he claimed to get it from a vets estate.
second, it was sold on a "no returns policy, hence there is no option to send it back, which rule out filing a complaint with ebay or paypal as well.
third, the seller gets positive feedback because he did what he was supposed to do - sold the item, stayed in touch until it was shipped, and i got the item in the auction as shown. negative feedback has nothing to do with whether i am happy with what i bought.
finally, i am not sure where the seller is, but the package was mailed from a u.s. post office in northern n.y. state. my account, with almost 360 positive feedback, has been open for over 8 years.
so if you still want to play with your conspiracy/fraud theory, be my guest. i am a legit ebay buyer and seller, a licensed auctioneer and have been collecting german militaria for over 35 years. i made a mistake on this dagger, am going to "take a bath" on it, but i want it gone, out of my life.
which, frankly, i find very inconvenient.

I looked at the listing Wobbly, and he clearly lists it as WWII, and it does not say no returns, it says the return policy is unspecified. I hate to see people get burned on fake stuff. Eban's new bidding policies don't allow us to contact the bidders to tell them the item is fake. Bidders identity is 'protected'. Most of the time, the bidders didn't believe us do-gooders anyway...figuring we want to get it cheaper, which made them bid higher! Crazy stuff, John

thanks john

the seller has been unreachable since the dagger was sent. i don't have a good npea student in my collection, and have done well on ebay over the years. didn't even know about this forum or wehrmacht-awards (the dagger was discussed there as well) until someone contacted me through ebay after i bought the dagger.

Wobbly-box,

Welcome to German Daggers Dot Com (better late than never).

Hope your saga with the NAPOLA has a happy ending.

For those of you who want to avoid getting burned on an NPEA Dagger, you can buy my reference book: "Waffenleite presenting NPEA Daggers of the Third Reich" for $58.50 as a member of this site (10% discount to our members). There is enough information concerning the manufacture and markings of these daggers to prevent you from being had in the future. Contact me.
Ron Weinand