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#202175 01/01/2008 05:09 PM
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In an attempt to save this older thread I am moving content to this new heading.
Don Scowen started this thread with this image.

Thanks Don, --dj--Joe

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#202177 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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Fancy meeeting you here Don! Nice detail on the pin!

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Thats a lovely little pin you have got there Don.

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Thanks lads.

Hi Dion, it's a small world isn't it Wink

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Don


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#202180 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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The SAR is a nice pin. It's unusual to find one with a nice maker's mark like yours.

By the way, most people don't realize the central device is an old style military hat (shako).


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quote:
Originally posted by Gold Party Pin Guy:
The SAR is a nice pin. It's unusual to find one with a nice maker's mark like yours.

By the way, most people don't realize the central device is an old style military hat (shako).


Stephen.
I've had one of these for years and always wondered what the middle bit was. You're right - it's a shako! Do you know what significance the wings had for the SA reserve??

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Nice score Don. Smile


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I didn´t notice that before, but now that you mentioned it! Thanks for the info Stephen.

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Good addition to your collection.
What is the makers mark if you don't mind? What I can make out looks like a crown atop a shield enclosing a letter.

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#202185 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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Well I never..... A shako indeed, so it is, I hadn't seen it either, thanks Stephen.

The maker mark is HB under a crown, I couldn't get a decent shot of it, sorry.

I also have a neat pic of one in wear.

Cheers
Don

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I suspect the wings are simply eagle wings taken from the Hoheitsabzeichen (party lapel eagle), and have nothing to do with flight.

Next I suppose you'll want to know what the G-H-L on the early Frauenschaft badges stands for (and JR Cone says are unknown) Wink


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#202187 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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OK Stephen, you knew I'd bite didn't you? Big Grin

I've often wondered what this stood for..... Please enlighten me Confused

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Hi Don,

Sorry to be such a tease.

Cone in "One People, One Reich" says no one knows what the G-H-L stands for on 2nd pattern Frauenshaft badges. Drum roll please...

It stands for "Glaube, Hoffe, Liebe", otherwise known as "Faith, Hope & Love" taken from Saint Paul's Letter to the Ephesians (often mistranslated as "Faith, Hope & Charity").

One collecting mystery down, a couple million to go...


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Hi Stephen,

Thanks for clearing that mistery up for me. As I mentioned before, I had often pondered over the meaning of those letters. Cool
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Don


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#202190 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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How does this one look ? The enamel is good, you'll see a glare under the swastika (from the scanner).

thanks

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Jamie, from what I see it appears good. Congrats.

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Same with me, looks fine. I haven't yet seen one of these that looks like it's a fake. bet they have been thou'..... Frown

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Thanks for the comments. Smile


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#202194 01/01/2008 05:10 PM
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Any others out there? Different maker marks?
Show 'em if ya got 'em. Smile

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Gents,

I'm glad to be able to add to this interesting thread.

Don - same maker but check out the differences.

Best to all!

Bill

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Nice one Bill.

I doubt that the differences are as much as they seem. When I took those images 3 years ago I was trying to get used to a new camera & took the pix in direct sun Roll Eyes

Bye the way, not sure if you saw it on an recent post but I think we can now safely say that this maker was Hermann Bauer, Schwäbisch, Gmünd. They used an identical mark on their silverware.

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Don


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#202198 01/01/2008 05:19 PM
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I'll take this opportunity to add my images. Same maker though. Wink
Obverse.
--dj--Joe

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The spiral marks on the pin are different. Big Grin
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#202200 01/01/2008 05:45 PM
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Nice one Joe.

In fact, now that you mention it we have three different knurling types with the same maker. Mine, Bill's & yours are all different.

I have often suspected that many of the badge/pin manufacturers bought in the attaching pins & fixings in bulk from specialist makers. Somewhere (although at the moment it escapes me exactly where Confused) I've seen a period add for them... I'll have to have a hunt around.

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Don


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#202201 01/01/2008 09:29 PM
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Just picked up this one for Christmas. Can give more details, particularly regarding the maker's mark when it arrives. ~ Ian

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#202203 01/01/2008 09:45 PM
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Now that does look interesting, can't say I've seen that mark before.....

Looking forward to seeing more.

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Don


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#202204 05/02/2008 10:51 AM
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Don, did you have any luck finding the period add for knurled pins? Sounds interesting.

Ian, could you give us a close up of your maker mark? It's a new one for me.

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quote:
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Don, did you have any luck finding the period add for knurled pins? Sounds interesting.
--dj--Joe


Indeed I did Joe, but only about two weeks ago!!

It was an ad from "Der Uniformen-Markt" shown in Frank Heukemes book on the General Assault Badge to illustrate the same point.

Here's a scan from page 414 of Frank's book.

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Here's a closer shot of the ad.

As it's taken from a period paper the illustration in the book isn't that good due to the "dot print" used during that period.

Again credit to the book "The General Assault Badge" by Frank Heukemes.

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Thanks for passing along this information Don. I wonder if there are other manufacturers adds out there somewhere that show different pins and pin retaining bases?
This is most usefull. I recognize most of these attachments. I can picture them now on enamel badges, stickpins, tinnies, red cross and RAD broaches etc.

Regards,--dj--Joe


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quote:
Originally posted by Don Scowen:
Well I never..... A shako indeed, so it is, I hadn't seen it either, thanks Stephen.


Hello there,

Well, I don't see it and would appreciate some help....

William Kramer

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William, perhaps this picture seen head-on will help..the depiction of the Tschako on the pin is actually closer to a French style than German..image from military heritage.com

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Here's another maker I found in my files. Don't seem to have the actual pin anymore Confused

Cheers
Don

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Maker mark Æ

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Where did I just see an S mark with dashes around it on one of these?

Funny that there aren't more inwear pictures of this pin about.

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quote:
Originally posted by derjager:
Where did I just see an S mark with dashes around it on one of these?

Funny that there aren't more inwear pictures of this pin about.

--dj--Joe


Ah, now that would be telling Wink

Here's another pic I have.

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