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hi, just recieved this knife via ebay sold as genuine blah blah blah anyway it looked ok to me in the pics but on arrival iam disappointed.

i believe that the blade and scabard is ok but the bakerlight is fake and so presumably the diamond too, its fixed solid.

the grips to me feel and just look bad, hopefully pics will show that, iam not sure whether to keep it as it has the moto or to send it back. It cost me �115 $228 US now is that ok as it is or just plain shafted:11doh: would you keep or return?

heres a few pics

cheers for your help most appreciated

mike

I am with you .I think the grip plates are new .Does the hj-insignia wiggle ?

i sold the knife to mike and i dont think the plates have been changed and yes the diamond did wriggle a bit

the diamond pattern of the grips, runs parallel to the diamond, which is a red flag for me.the rest looks ok .

Why does it look a if the bottom of the grips have been caulked in (or is just me)? In that cond. even for an older one I wouldn't pay more than $100-150. JMO.

thanks for the reply, i cant get any movement off the diamond myself.

what struck me as that it might be a repro or replaced is the fit isnt that flush to the metal work, i can only compare to the later hj knives i have access to which seem well fitting.

the bakerlight is edged on both sides, my others are rounded, again iam not sure if this is significant or not

and the sealent used on the grip where it fits the area of the finger guard? is that unusual?

thanks again

mike

quote:

the diamond pattern of the grips, runs parallel to the diamond, which is a red flag for me.the rest looks ok .

Blueboyukb.....I don't understand, I see no difference between the gripes on this knife...
or other original HJ's.

Sepp

GDC 0292 Gold

i could not see a differnce either .i collect ss and navy daggers so do not know much about hj knives but apart from a little epoxy between the guard and grip i could see nothing wrong

Grip plates and diamond are not original to this knife. Anton Wingen JR used a very typical sort of bakelite grips on his early knifes. The blade itself is original.
I have just the same one in the "for sale" section, have a look and you will easily see the diference with original grips.

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/748105472/m/8330077184

Best greetings,

Herman

i didn`t express what i meant very well!. i`m by no means an hj expert, but on every hj i`ve seen, except for the new repros, the `angle` that the grip chequers run at, is a different angle to the sides of the diamond. so , when a diamond is fitted into the grip plates, the pattern of the grip chequers `run-out`, and don`t run straight along the sides of the diamond`s angles. does that make any more sense to all?, i hope!!.

i think you are wrong if you look at photos on other hj post you will see both patterns

I know what Bob is talking about. I too heard that the "parallel" checkered grips were bad. But upon recieving more information I now believe that both checkered patterns are accepted as origninal. But this is not the first time I have heard concern about that checkered grip pattern being bad.

Parallel checkered grips can be original, but only on late, RZM marked knifes, mostly in combination with "ersatz" hilts. I have never seen them on early, pre 1938 knifes.

On this early Anton Wingen JR they are definitely wrong.

Best greetings,

Herman

your eickhorn hj seems to have the same grip and triangle and the anton winger is 1938 late for a hj knife?

i think that the common concensus on here and elsewhere is that the blade is good as i believed, but the knife has at somepoint been repaired with new grip plates, now whether these are post war repros or late period iam not sure, some have suggested it may be a parts dagger others that the grips are of the common post war repro style, whatever they are the fitment isnt great and the rivets/sealent are repairs whether 1 year 10 years ago who knows.



The scabards had 1 inner runner early on the 2 runners on the later knifes is that correct? this has 2.

iam guessing the blade must be 1933 to 1936 era, as in 1936 the RZM markings were introduced?

thanks for the comments

mike

quote:

Originally posted by Herr Mann:
Parallel checkered grips can be original, but only on late, RZM marked knifes, mostly in combination with "ersatz" hilts. I have never seen them on early, pre 1938 knifes.

On this early Anton Wingen JR they are definitely wrong.

Best greetings,

Herman

There is a discussion of the Eickhorn HJ on another forum, and some there think the Eickhorn HJ with parallel grip plates is a reproduction:


http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212677&page=2

John,

Thank you for posting this linck, very interesting and amusing as well.

I should get registered to the other forums like this one. Now I understand what scared the initial buyer...

That is the Eickhorn that I have sold that was discussed there, but before it even got back, it was sold again...

If that was a copy, than it sure was a perfect one: Eickhorn rounded tip scabbard, deep motto (not looking new at all) and perfect double makersmarck (not an easy one to copy).

Well at least someone got a nice deal out of this.

Best greetings,

Herman

The other forum was bashing this forum's "policing" of the for sale section.