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hmmmmmmm, Thats a good looking piece of cloth. A mess dress?. Paul, these skinheads with the rampant hands are on this earth for a reason and that would be soft tissue tests.  Kris
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quote: Originally posted by pvon:
Hi Paul, would you mind posting these pics of my SS Mess Dress for a member of theStaff of the RFSS . On the topic "lets see something black" GDF" its quite a nice thread .
This is for collector Jim Toncar
PVON
An astonishing piece. Does it have a story to it? A very impressive piece of regalia. Was it replaced by the shorter version with the kitschy badge? This earlier garment is not, I believe, mentioned in the 1940 Kleiderkasse list. Viel Sammlerglueck. PS I must buy the two other volumes of Beaver, as I only own one...
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by way of context, here is the press spokesman Otto Dietrich so clothed... I have run out of little, tiny images to post for this thread.
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Donald, the Mess Dress tunic was worn at afternoon functions, the tuxedo at formal evenings functions. The Picture you show is of Press Chief Dietrich wearing a Overcoat (notice shouldereboard) This pattern mess dress tunic does not have a shoulderboard , although on a SS Generals tunic it does have the light grey lapels, I will ask Paul to post pictures of Karl Wolffs Mess dress for me which show the Light grey lapels . The Mess Dress tunic has to be considered the rarest of all SS tunics by far.
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This is Gruppenfuhrer Karl Wolff's Mess Dress, dated 1936, made by the prestigious firm of "Christian Schwarz&Sohn, Munchen" .The sleeve eagle on this tunic is of the finest quality I have ever seen, mess dress tunics are never worn with a Brassard. It came from Wolff's Residence in Tergansee .Enclosed also is a picture of a Oberfuhrer at a afternoon HitlerJugend function wearing the Mess Dress tunic , finding pictures of this tunic in wear are really quite hard. jimtoncar Hey Jim Anytime you need a picture taken to show our members I volunter! If I could get John Pepera also I would be a kid in a candy store! Glad you are adding to this thread for the many members that do not know you! This quality giving to collectors,members or plain old people interested in history, is to be commended. I could just sit back and listen to the knowledge here! Jim Tell us of the quality when you look at a piece such as this in person! Pictures could never do justice! Showing for Jim T
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Glad to see Ohio is well represented in
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I bet the visor looks nice? For some reason the pic went small on me. Will have to check why! PVON
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Mr. Toncar:
I have admire part of your collection in the exelent Shiffer books, wich I have severals. Pieces like this are not only rare and beautyful but give you a view of the amount of refinese and importance that was given to almost every part of goverment control deparments during the Third Reich, wich still works perfectly in the human eye, since we collectors are still in shock every time we see one of this magnificent pieces.
A truly espectacular pieces, thanks for sharing.
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quote: Originally posted by Jim Toncar:
Donald, the Mess Dress tunic was worn at afternoon functions, the tuxedo at formal evenings functions. The Picture you show is of Press Chief Dietrich wearing a Overcoat (notice shouldereboard) This pattern mess dress tunic does not have a shoulderboard , although on a SS Generals tunic it does have the light grey lapels, I will ask Paul to post pictures of Karl Wolffs Mess dress for me which show the Light grey lapels . The Mess Dress tunic has to be considered the rarest of all SS tunics by far.
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Dear Sir, I understand the above. I just had this nice picture of Dietrich which cried out for inclusion somewhere. The Gesellschaftanzg of yours, double breasted, with the piping is remarkable, of course, as is your material generally. Did not Shea sell off one of these connected with v. Ribbentrop's aide, who was later executed in the wake of the 20 July? Or was this piece from your collection, instead? In any case, thank you for the images from your world renowned treasures. Does anyone in Europe have similar material? Thank you for posting and we await all future pictures from your Schatzkammer. Viel Sammlerglueck.
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Donald, yes I did own the Thorner tunic and sold it to finace the Wolff tunic . At the sums of money needed to collect anymore it is hard to keep everything. I like SS Generals stuff the best especially when it can be traced to the vet bringing it back.
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quote: Originally posted by Jim Toncar:
Donald, yes I did own the Thorner tunic and sold it to finace the Wolff tunic . At the sums of money needed to collect anymore it is hard to keep everything. I like SS Generals stuff the best especially when it can be traced to the vet bringing it back.
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Dear Colleague, thank you. We celebrate your collection and your refined taste. The Dr. Willi Meerwald field grey uniform ensemble that turned up the Presidio Army Museum would have suited your taste to a tee. It was a Holters tunic and overcoat, and I think an Ehrendegen. The peaked cap was non descript and likely from the Kleiderkasse without much embellishment. The ensemble is now at Fort Knox, I think, still within the army history system. I worked at the museum when it appeared there around 1976 or 1977, I think. It was on par with the rest of your material. Thank you for your images and we are eager to see more. Viel Sammlerglueck.
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Here is Mr Tomcar,s ex fine mess dress tunic once belonging to Thorner,very true about these very expensive wollens to finance other collections!,,,, Stephen
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Stephen, What is the uniform with the swallows nests? That is really unbelieveable. Do you still own that one?. I would like to have that.  Thank you, Kris
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quote: Originally posted by HOOPER 2:
Here is Mr Tomcar,s ex fine mess dress tunic once belonging to Thorner,very true about these very expensive wollens to finance other collections!,,,, Stephen
Thank you, dear colleague, your ensemble is very impressive, indeed. Your tableau reminds us of your excellent taste as well as how these textiles make their way to the ends of the earth.
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...I should say to the center of the earth, in fact.
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GD stands for
Gone down forum!!!!!
I see no action on a superb thread we had going!
Shame!!!
Good job on everyone leaving!
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a few more SS visors to show!
This I looked at at MAX!!!
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Paul,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Thanks to yourself Robert H, Darryl P and others for posting as always there fine collections.Some of us are still here but nothing to show forum members what we have bought for awhile. We can just hope that Donald A, Bob C and other great collectors will vist us and post, if time permits in the future. Stephen
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Not everyone collects "Black". You know there was much more to the SS after 1935 than just the "Black" The Waffen SS and Foreign Volunteers,the SD and the Totenkopf verbande.A superb Frundsberg tunic was recently posted one of the premier divisions at Arnhem in September 1944 yet only a few commented. Not many collectors buy the Black stuff its overpriced and over rated in many cases, so most are priced out of this side of collecting now and have lost interest.Some just like to look.
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Posting pics is free! Taking pics is free!
Sharing pics is free!
Looking is free! Once you pay!
Hell I can't buy all either!
But I took pic so others can see and learn!
I am!
Waffen I know nothing!
But at shows collectors and such can take pics!
I took hundreds for the Bob Rodgers forum!
I try posting some!
I just like to show many things I have seen!
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Show SS
These shows are long over but can still be used to learn!
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All these hats sold as one group at last Max!
A steal!
He let me take many pics for people to see
later!
Waffen and such I let others say!
Here is something!
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I don't mind sharing the pics! I just want to know someone is breathing!!! PVON
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I hear you P. That merch. Ken had was super fine. Hell I was lucky enough to get 1 SS dagger out of him!
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Yes Paul, this is super thread! I love to see your pics. more blackies!! "do not forget the side profile of that #381"  Thanks JaV
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Well youre right Paul this forum has sunk to the bottom.
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Hello Paul, a superb thread. After 4 months or so 351 responces, 7870 views. You should be proud of your thread. One really doesnt need to buy referance books these days with this sort of content. For anyone to declare it to be bottomed(sunk)etc.out is wrong. I dont collect SS but the thrill of viewing the premier items as such at a click of the finger for all is a great service. I have many collecting friends few of which collect SS but we all agree the the Black SS is easily the most desirable and worth every cent. Overpriced, overrated not a chance. They all can spend afternoon etc. rolling thru threads as yours. Keep up the good work. Regards Bill Bourque
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Coming back up from from the bottom,,,,,
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And also one for you John P,,,,,
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SS MUSIC DIAMOND,I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER EXCEPT IN THE FAMOUS SS CLOTH BOOK.
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Hooper,I dont think the tabletop of caps/helmets is yours?I think they belong to a friend of mine?? Credit them? Seiler (Yank in UK)
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How rare are the black SS coffee can kepis circa early 1930s? They seem to be not as popular as the post '35 styles - yet they must be harder to find. Are the later "blackies" the more classic style everyone wants?
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Seiler (Yank in UK)[/quote] quote: Hooper,I dont think the tabletop of caps/helmets is yours?I think they belong to a friend of mine??
Credit them?
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Seiler, Im afraid your everything that makes members from this site give up and leave! You have commented on something that does not concern you and is personnel. This thread is about posting black items for other members to view for their pleasure and learn the contruction and traits etc of this SS cloth,as long as they are ORIGINAL. For your infomation two of the headgear on the table belonged to me. I do hope your pockets are as big as your keyboard as you seem to mix with the high flyers of this business. I will take leave and just visit odd times from now on. I do hope that you can step into the small void I have left and show your collection from now on,,, Adios my friends,,,,,,,,,, HOOPER
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Stephen you are an asset to this forum and to the hobby. Re think your decision. I just posted on the dagger forum as there is a spat that is in progress there as well. The reason that this forum is dying is principally due to the crap disturbers who have nothing better to do than to insult, be-little and attempt to provoke. Seiler we all know to whom some of the items in the picture belong, it is no secret and it has been discussed previously. I recall that the owner gave his blessing to his friend Stephen to post pictures. Perhaps you should apologize and/or mind your own business. I do not see the forum police icon next to your name. What is it about the SS forum that brings out the worst in everyone? I have collected this "stuff" since 1982 with an interest dating back to 1972. I have liquidated collections of daggers, Allgemeine, political and military visors. I have now made the decision to leave this hobby and persue other areas/interests. I will sell off the remainder of my Third Reich collection in the next month.I previosly sold my political visor and tunic collection and bought a corvette convertible. In all honesty it brought me more joy than the collection ever did. My decision has nothing to do with this forum. I will continue to travel to the SOS with Darryl Pajot (as long as he wants to) and will remain a member of this forum. No one here will make my decisions for me. cheers, Ryan S
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