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quote: If anyone is looking for a research project, there is a good chance that the people assigned these FM numbers could be identified with some dedication and persistance. Attached is a description of the FM records that are in the National Archives.
I found talking to the NARA like talking to a brick wall. They were less than helpful & were totally unwilling or unable to help with regard to looking for these files. Unfortunately as I'm in the UK the phone calls cost a fortune & I'm unable to visit the place to look myself!!! quote: No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?
The Honour pin is a fake I'm afraid. Cheers Don
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IF IT IS NOT NAMED AND NUMBERED,I WOULD NOT HAVE IN MY COLLECTION.
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[quote]No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?[/quote
Those items need to be discussed.
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I feel as a first step we should contact Robert and advise him of this post.
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quote: Originally posted by Don Scowen: quote: If anyone is looking for a research project, there is a good chance that the people assigned these FM numbers could be identified with some dedication and persistance. Attached is a description of the FM records that are in the National Archives.
I found talking to the NARA like talking to a brick wall. They were less than helpful & were totally unwilling or unable to help with regard to looking for these files. Unfortunately as I'm in the UK the phone calls cost a fortune & I'm unable to visit the place to look myself!!! quote: No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?
The Honour pin is a fake I'm afraid. Cheers Don
Sorry Don that the Yanks were not more helpful to someone from the Mother Country. The FM ledgers are on microfilm and can be accessed in the microfilm reading room at NARA. I don't know how many microfilm rolls are involved. They can be purchased for $68 USD (international shipping) each. The original ledgers must be in the Berlin Document Center in Germany. It would be a great project for a local volunteer to undertake. Independent researchers are available for hire usually by the hour. Regards, Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
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THE ZA PIN IN THE FOR FOR SALE ADS,LOOKS WRONG ALSO.THE MAKERS OF THESE TWO TYPES OF PINS TOOK A LOT OF PRIDE IN THERE WORK.THE PINS WERE NOT NOT BLANK MARKED.
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... can anyone spot the backwards "N" in "MCHN"? 
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Following are the images from the For Sale Forum that you wished to discuss.
Not my area so let's have a discussion where we all learn.
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BACK AND FRONT,SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
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Hi
With regards to the above items, the SS-ZA and the honour pin are fakes, as is the FM pin with the blank back
Interesting thread, indeed
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Here is one dug by my friend on Saturday.....
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Reverse... I am sorry for bad pics...
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It does seem a pity that nobody thought to point out the questionable items in the For Sale forum at the time.I,m sure potential buyers would have been appreciative.
Bob seems to be keeping his head well below the parapet too.
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Hi
With reference to the letter series, I have come across the following
A, C, D, E, F, H, J, K, L & S for the ehrennadel.
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Here is my C coded piece to add to this thread.
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I feel the un-numbered pin JanJan posted on page 2 should be discussed. I also have one that's un-numbered and have always felt this pin is a fake. I've compared it with my original Deschler here so you can see the subtle differences. Note the ss runes are shorter and the FM letters are thinner. Being totally unmarked also gave me concern.The pin too is very thin and has a short ruff spiral. Raymond G.and I have discussed this pin in the past, and he thought that it could have been a salesman sample. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Regards, Mike C.
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The reverse. The un-numbered pin doesn't have the same feel to it that the Deschler has.IMO.
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Bringing this topic back around. Much good information to be found.
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Hi,
First of all a big "HELLO" to everyone I know here. It took me some time but I have registered myself again after been lost my way for a while when this forum was refreshed.
Currently I'm very keen on political enamel, especially SS-zivil, FM awards and HJ honor awards.
Concerning the FM award -what this wonderful thread is all about- I have the following question:
Did any of you ever saw one of those very rare alpha codes. And is it true that one of them is written in gothic script?
And like everyone who's busy with this membership pin a break my head on those horrible alpha code's.
My last thought was that it could refer to distribution points all over Germany (like the I, II and III for SS daggers) but that makes no sense with the alpha code "S" that's especially used for the honor version???
Regards, Wim
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Wim:
Nice to see you here at GDC. Welcome..
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I performed a web search but found no information on Gothic Script.
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Thanks for the search, Joe. I think it was supposed for the rare "J" badge. Maybe Raymond has seen an example? But it would be very odd to make one badge with another font. On the other hand, the Germans use to write a "J" shaped sign when they meant actually an "I" or "i". So it is even possible that it was originally intended as an "I" instead of a "J".
However... one picture of such an example would be soooo much easier to talk!
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Bringing this BTTT to see if anyone has any examples or thoughts pertaining to Wim's question on Gothic script.
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Bringing this BTTT to see if anyone has any examples or thoughts pertaining to Wim's question on Gothic script.
--dj--Joe Thanks you, Joe. That thing is almost like a myth. Someone saw them, someone has to own them, but for some reason they don't find their way to a forum. In fact the same counted for the story of the Otto Gahr SS-Zivilabzeichen with real silver pin locker. Some people clamed it exist, others found it even for Gahr a bit to fancy to make also the pin lockers from real silver. After a while an advanced collector told me he had one: a low numbered Gahr with solid silver locker and the documents of this bestowal orginated from H. Himmler. sadly, but understandable, he wasn't very keen to share pictures. Regards, Wim
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Once more back up perhaps some new info. ?
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