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What do you guys think of these one? Granted, the pictures aren't great. Looks like the eagle may be a replacement, but otherwise?

GERMAN SS DAGGER BELONGING TO SS GENERAL FRIEDRICH ALPERS

http://www.epier.com/BiddingForm.asp?1862469

Numbers punched post war and artificially darkened to look original. Very few if any numbered Boker daggers have the art deco trademark. Need more convincing? Look who the seller is.

Ah, yes, that makes sense...add a few stampings to increase the value. Too bad, otherwise not a bad looking dagger. Who is the seller? I generally don't buy from auctions for just that reason.

Looks good to me!! Same style stamping as seen in Wittmanns book, pages 200, 202, 203. Nothing wrong with that. I also like the documentation, SS Honor ring Doc and SS Sword Doc for same guy!!

OldMarketplace has put more humped-up daggers on Ebay than Carter has little pills.

Reichsfuhrer you have an interesting email address. Who are you body guarding?

the eagle looks to have been replaced but i think its hard to tell when the # was stamped on the cross guard and at $4200 not that expensive for an early boker

The two trademarks that are shown look completely different.I also do not like the shape of the scabbard fittings. I only need one red flag and this dagger has 4 or 5. I really cannot see anything special about BOKERS,Quality is Quality it does not matter who makes.

The two trademarks shown look different because of the lighting. If you look at the age spots, it's the same blade.

TM picture

TM 2

I would be VERY SURPRISED to see this style Boker TM with a serial number that low.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

Maybe he just replaced his Rohm with a new dagger. Could be. There are answers at the website but are hard too decipher.Those trademarks still look completly different

Here is the key point in the description:

Please ask all your questions before you bid as ALL SALES ARE FINAL unless item was significantly not as described

This seller uses that in most of his auctions and it does not encourage confidence since digital pictures cannot convey the whole story. Even with consignments, it should be possible to offer a short inspection period.

I wonder if "reichfuhrer" is a relative of "stabschef" who used to defend this seller ?

Dave

the photos are of the same trade mark just look at the rust staining its in the same position on both photos
a few years back i bought a very nice 33 boker from this dealer ,paid, then read some bad comments on various forums and was very worried until it arrived but it was fine and i believe i got it for a low price due to said comments

Do an archive search of posts from the member "Reichsfuhrer" and you will see that he has been a shill of OldMarketplace in previous posts. This seller is the worst cancer in the hobby. Sell some stuff that is Ok... and then sell some humped-up crap and take some poor SOB for big bucks. nickn2 don't bother defending this jerk. You obviously *don't get* the problem with a serial numbered art deco Boker. Hope the piece you bought was Ok.

Is this Stabchief? The former shill?
I don't buy any Boker under 12,000 serial number with the Art deco logo. It's plain Bull.
First Bokers went out serialized with small trademarks TTBOMK.
yea, Oldmarketplace. What happened did he run out of all those fake Mini dagger repro's he would claim he got "Fresh from a Vet's Estate"?





This guy is a known peddler of fakes. Also, as in the past, he would always watch the forums and have his shill come in and "pump" his "honesty". HAHAHAHA!!!!

Two great sayings come to mind here:
"Critics are just wana be's that will never be" and,
"JEALOUS ONES STILL ENVY" (my favorate), so check it out, DAGGER HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD , someone got a hell of a deal on a $10,000+ dagger!!

Reichsfuhrer you are nothing but a SHILL. If I were an administrator I'd boot you to hell and back.

Well guys you got to hand it to the Oldmarketplace..the shills are always right there.
Envy? Oh Yea!! More like pity the poor trusting newbie who got defrauded on this bogus stamped to SS General dagger. Got the wrong Boker logo for that low of number "Reichsfuhrer".
It's just like watching one of those true crime shows. The criminal misses one big detail that ends him up in the clink.

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Originally posted by Reichsfuhrer:
Two great sayings come to mind here:
"Critics are just wana be's that will never be" and,
"JEALOUS ONES STILL ENVY" (my favorate), so check it out, DAGGER HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD , someone got a hell of a deal on a $10,000+ dagger!!

COMPLETE BS.

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Originally posted by Reichsfuhrer:
Two great sayings come to mind here:
"Critics are just wana be's that will never be" and,
"JEALOUS ONES STILL ENVY" (my favorate), so check it out, DAGGER HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD , someone got a hell of a deal on a $10,000+ dagger!!

The dagger has already been sold. You ended the auction because you where caught .. as an added extra you expose yourself as the same person as oldmarketplace.

Why is it the wrong logo? Suppose the guy had a Rohm dagger, which he most likely did, decided to purchase a new dagger instead of grinding off his Rohm blade, applied his serial number to his new dagger with the 2nd Boker logo. We know that many early SS honor rings were reissued, new style with old date.. Same thing here, totally acceptable.

Message to Moderator: Please note that previous poster "Skyline Drive" is in blatant violation of the CODE OF CONDUCT.

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Originally posted by Reichsfuhrer:
Message to Moderator: Please note that previous poster "Skyline Drive" is in blatant violation of the CODE OF CONDUCT.

Squeal pig. You have been stuck.

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Originally posted by Reichsfuhrer:
Why is it the wrong logo? Suppose the guy had a Rohm dagger, which he most likely did, decided to purchase a new dagger instead of grinding off his Rohm blade, applied his serial number to his new dagger with the 2nd Boker logo. We know that many early SS honor rings were reissued, new style with old date.. Same thing here, totally acceptable.

Dream on OldcrookfromPennsyl. Us old timers here know you and your junk.
Thought you had Dr. John on the hook aye?
Why would Alpers go through all that trouble when he has you to stamp his numbers in on the crossguard? Ok, OK I forgot!! You don't do that! Right!? It cames straight from what is that line you always use ... let's see..ah yes I remember now "Just found in a Vets Estate".
Go ahead you always have a story where the dagger came from. it's always a rare dagger that you get. AMAZING LUCK you have there. A consistent performer. What about that damascus SA High Leader abortion you were trying to nail a deep pocket newbie with over a year ago. Any of you guys here remember that one. I thought we even had a thread about it here.
One day you'll be doing time with the "juice"
OldcrookfromPennsyl.

Serge is quite correct. Any numbered boker with an Art Deco logo should be looked upon with great care and suspicion. That said, I have owned one single example - a numbered Boker with the Art Deco trademark - which I bought directly from a veteran family. It was numbered to a VERY boring Untersturmfuhrer, and I have no doubt it was original. Still, it was an anomaly, as the only daggers that were ordered "numbered" were, I believe, Rohm daggers. This was certainly no Rohm dagger, so maybe it was the result of an over-careful or paranoid SS officer who didn't want to lose his dagger - who knows. Still, the existence of this one dagger should not be used to give such daggers a "free pass." They should always be looked upon with special care.

Wow, I brought this dagger up because the board was a little slow. I think it's a wee bit more exciting now!

what a mess

Now, I know what its like to be on the receiving end of some of this blatant bashing.
HOWEVER, I am not supporting EITHER stand on this particular piece, although I am still surprised and would question this practice.
That being said, I HAVE, through my SS Officer Research Service, identified SEVERAL SS Daggers with serial numbers on crossguards THAT WERE NOT ROHM Daggers. It seems that it was standard practice to number SS Daggers for loss prevention besides the numbering of Rohm inscription SS M33s.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Where is Stabschef on this peice? i miss his shills on OMP

Interesting reading.
A small "tips" for the day is to save all images and saves this tread as Full Html in your Cp and on a Word Doc
Then you can find the info and pics later if this are been deleted and the dagger is for sales agian,

All the best LH

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Originally posted by Ronald Weinand:
Now, I know what its like to be on the receiving end of some of this blatant bashing.
HOWEVER, I am not supporting EITHER stand on this particular piece, although I am still surprised and would question this practice.
That being said, I HAVE, through my SS Officer Research Service, identified SEVERAL SS Daggers with serial numbers on crossguards THAT WERE NOT ROHM Daggers. It seems that it was standard practice to number SS Daggers for loss prevention besides the numbering of Rohm inscription SS M33s.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

In the early '70s I saw an un-roehm'd M33 with a 6-digit ser. number stamped on the front of the guard (looking straight on, not down like this one.) it was brought back by the guy's dad, and the guy had no interest in german militaria...
sadly he moved before I could make a serious effort to acquire it! I don't recall the maker, but I THINK it was a boker.

We kept "Stabschef" around for laughs. "Reichhsfuhrer", too .

On another note, whether you are mad or not, please keep the language civil. No need to get mad, as we seem to have solved the problem

Did Alpers have a ring in 1934 ?

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Originally posted by david walsh:

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Originally posted by Ronald Weinand:
Now, I know what its like to be on the receiving end of some of this blatant bashing.
HOWEVER, I am not supporting EITHER stand on this particular piece, although I am still surprised and would question this practice.
That being said, I HAVE, through my SS Officer Research Service, identified SEVERAL SS Daggers with serial numbers on crossguards THAT WERE NOT ROHM Daggers. It seems that it was standard practice to number SS Daggers for loss prevention besides the numbering of Rohm inscription SS M33s.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

In the early '70s I saw an un-roehm'd M33 with a 6-digit ser. number stamped on the front of the guard (looking straight on, not down like this one.) it was brought back by the guy's dad, and the guy had no interest in german militaria...
sadly he moved before I could make a serious effort to acquire it! I don't recall the maker, but I THINK it was a boker.

Hi All:

Through my SS number research, I have heard from collectors spanning the globe from as far west as Australia to as far east as Russia. So far, I have documented world-wide over 365 SS daggers numbered to men not listed in the Dienstalterslistes. Out of these, I have identified to date 107 SS daggers that were unknowns up to 2 years ago when I began this project. The majority of these numbered daggers, whether identified or not, are not R�hm daggers. I believe that Ron's assumption is correct that, on their own, SS men placed numbers on their non-R�hm daggers to keep track of them. After every party rally in the 1930s, there was a "lost & found" list run in the NSDAP & SS monthly publications. On one occasion, I have seen a numbered SS dagger listed as found and wondered to myself why they just didn't look the number up in the central SS number registry and send it to the guy.

David also brings up an important point that Sokol inquired about several months ago to which no one responded and has bothered me ever since so I will bring it up again. Why would a R�hm dagger have a six digit SS number?

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

And just for the record, ............

You know you wonder why people leave this hobby.Take this site as an example there are posted code of conduct rules they are broken and the thread just goes on.My opion and i cant spell worth a damn let it go Who really cares.Talk about stuff that matters.Like oh i dont know daggers.it started out great and just went down hill.I will proubly get booted for my response but who cares.

DAVE HOHAUS, Could you please update my membership. I paid for a premium membership yesterday Jan 2 09 with paypal.

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(No Edit - just updated your membrtship. Thanks for supporting GDC>)

I have followed this discussion for the past couple of days and the notion that Rhom daggers have 6 digit numbers seems to be incorrect at least to a degree. My full Rhom Herder has no such number, only the Roman numeral I

Once an original SS Daggers switches hands, it is an opportunity for the unscrupulous to make a dollar.
Couple this fact with the attitude of certain dealers in the good ole days where adding crossguards with a serial number to a dagger with partial or full inscription leads to more money, and you have the result of six digit SS numbers on Rohm daggers.
Maybe this stiuation was not the case, but then the doubt is created and never leaves the piece.
JMO,
Ron Weinand