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#193823 12/28/2005 10:37 PM
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I THINK GETTING RIPPED OFF THRU THE MAIL--INTERNET IS LIKE GETTING RAPED IN THAT IT PROBABLY HAPPENS TO ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO DONT ADMIT TO IT ... WELL IT HAPPENED TO ME & IM AT A LOSS WITH RESPECT TO HOW I CAN TRY TO RECOVER . I AM IN NY , THE GUY WHO BEAT ME OUT OF $2300 IS IN TEXAS ..FEDARAL COURT WILL NOT ENTERTAIN A CLAIM FOR LESS THAN $75K ...ANY SUGGESTIONS ? THANKS D.D.H. http://www.ddsdaggers.com

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Well, post his name DD, we may be able to get you some help.

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Postal Inspectors frown on interstate fraud. If I recall correctly it is a felony. Contact the U.S. Postal Service and present your case. I trust you have records for them to review....?

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I agree with JR here. Post his name and where he is located. Several of us were ripped off by a Canadian scam artist and it took quite a bit of joint effort on our part working with the Canadian authorities; but he has been arrested and is due up for trial soon.
This scam involved a least 3 members of this forum including myself and also included two other prominent members of the collecting community who don't post here but at least have been informed as to what's going on.
One of the big advantages we had is we were able to identify what was happening early on through the interaction of us on this Forum.
There may be others who are in the same boat.
Jim

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Hi DD,

I had a similar problem a few years ago, only my trouble stemmed around a $150 bayonet. Believe me, I was steaming mad despite the relatively cheap cost. I Googled the locale where the tool lived and got ahold of the local police department. After two phone calls, I was put in touch with the officer in charge of internet crimes (small department, go figure). After giving him the info, he made a phone call to the subject holding my new toy and I had it in my hands in 48 hours. I'm not saying each case will be as easy but sometimes a tip to the local gendarmerie will touch a nerve, particularly if the tool has had run ins previously. Best of luck in your endeavor.


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#193828 12/29/2005 01:08 AM
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dd,
i live in between rochester, and buffalo,
i was going to ask you how you ever made out on other stolen items, sad to see this happened again, maybe donnie can help you on this one........if you have his address, try this program....
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#193829 12/29/2005 02:11 AM
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LUTHER CLARK
1103 S. 7H ST.
COPPARAS COVE TEXAS 76522

I HAVE TALKED TO THE POSTAL INSPECTOR ...HE SAID P.O. CAN DO NOTHING FOR ME ...GOOD IDEA ON CONTACTING THE LOCAL POLICE IN TEXAS ...I AM WILLING TO TRAVEL TO LOCAL COURT THERE IF I HAVE TO .I KNOW NOTHING OF TEXAS LAW ...I HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE TRANSACTION INCLUDING COPPY OF BOTH SIDES OF THE BANK CHECK & DELIVERY SIGNATURE CONFORMATION OF ITS HAVING BEEN RECIEVED ... THANKS D.D.H.

#193830 12/29/2005 01:10 PM
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I hope we at GDC can help DD Harris with this problem. DD is a great guy, and I have bought a few items from him. He is one of the fairest and nicest guys out there.

DD - I found this result from http://www.swtichboard.com for Luther Clark in the Texas town you mentioned. Switchboard dot com places only public domain information through its search engine, so there is nothing illegal in posting this information.

DD, also please note that the city is spelled "Copperas Cove TX," not "Copparas."

http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cginbr.dll?ID=77380101&ABS=0&FUNC=MORE&TYPE=1008&F=Luther&MEM=1&L=Clark&T=Copperas+Cove&S=TX&QV=98F3E2F9BA914703BB920C78A6D280A0l029FD53C2ECDBB43AC303203O019FD23C2ECDBB43AE303203O03882A3D4ACCBB4381303203

Three Luther Clark's show up in Copperas Texas.

If I used the spelling you used, there is one more result that comes up for a Luther Clark who is 23 years old.

http://www.reunion.com/dispatch?action=student&affiliateid=11&id=135576910

I am not a paying member of that site, but for a few bucks you can join and get another e-mail address and possibly more info on him. Also, note that for a fee, you can do background checks on these individuals and obtain public domain info on Criminal Reports, Lawsuits, Judgments, Liens, Bankruptcies, Property Ownership, 30 Year Address History, etc.

Are there any law enforcement types or lawyers here on GDC who could chime in and help DD out?


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#193831 12/29/2005 02:21 PM
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Email him these 2 pictures and ask him if he recognises his house, the closer to home you get the more chance you have of getting a result. Smile.



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D.D.H., sorry about the postal service not being able to help. I thought for certain that fraud tru the mails was very serious. Did they say why they could not help?

I hope you get the weasel. Looks like Borse is on the right track. Things can get hot for that crook guy now. The wonders of the internet never cease to amaze me.

Good Luck..

Mark

#193833 12/29/2005 03:24 PM
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D.D.H.
Does this guy have a listed tel no.? If he has one sometimes a call can rattle them enough for them to do he right thing. If the number isn't listed under his name try doing a reverse telephone check and searching under the address. Good luck.
Update: I went ahead and did some searching and if there is a tel. no. for the above address it's unlisted. There are 3 Luther Clarks in Copperas Cove all with unlisted numbers ranging in age from 21 to 44.
Another thing you can do is send him a registered letter with receipt required. This will verify that he is at that address when you get the receipt back since he'll have to sign for the letter*.
BTW: You might want to email him the above picture and ask if he has a basic understanding of "missle on a wire" technology! Wink
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Jim,

The address given by DD is 1103 South 7th Street in Copperas Cove, TX. Switchboard Dot Com says Luther Clark's address is 1104 South 7th Street in Copperas Cove, and his phone number is (254) 518-3135.

Here is actually a better image of his house on the corner lot.



Copperas Cove is about midway between Austin and Waco.


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#193835 12/29/2005 06:53 PM
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Borse:
I understand that; but we're dealing with apparentely 3 different Luther Clarks here. It could get messy if you arrive at the wrong place! Roll Eyes I still think the registered letter route is the best initial approach. However; D.D. ought to at least call that number.
Jim

#193836 12/29/2005 07:22 PM
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i sent luther clark the satalite pix of his house ..my intention is to try to contact the police in copperas cove texas ..do we have a lawyer in our group in the area ? i appreciate all the support d.d.h.

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Borse............ Would it be possible to do a fly by ? Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

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Jim,

Absolutely. That is why I suggested paying the small fee to join that site and get a background check on the names.

Moreover, the reason I posted that one Luther Clark's number was because it was almost an exact "hit" of what Mr. Harris posted. Same name, same street same town, but only off by one number. The chances of another Luther Clark being one house next door are pretty slim, but best to err on the side of caution, yes?

Your letter idea is a good one.

DD--best of luck in this. Contact the police and let the person know via the same way you communicated to him before he stiffed you. I am sure he won't welcome the news that the police have been called, but you reap what you sow. Maybe it will be enough to persuade him that you are serious about bringing charges against him.

Please let us all know how it turns out.


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#193839 12/29/2005 08:16 PM
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JR--sure! My helmet and old G-suit are in my closet.




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#193840 12/29/2005 08:27 PM
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DDH, really sorry for your trouble. I think at least once all of us got a bad experience thru
internet. But for more than 2000 usd that's another story!
I already bought from you, here in Italy, and
I really appreciated your courtesy and seriousity.
You are a good guy and I want to convey my best wishes for a nice ending story.

P.S. Best wishes for all the forumists for a wonderful and prosperous 2006!


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#193841 12/30/2005 01:11 AM
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You are a Great Bunch of Guys! Goodluck DD

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DD,

Try these guys. They are the FBI and they mean business. After all, amongst many, they got ol' Capone!

http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

This program is brought to you by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the
National White Collar Crime Center

Good luck and Best Regards,

John

#193843 12/30/2005 11:31 PM
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i really appreciate all the support ..i took the suggestion to contact the police where the guy lives ...the officer i got was very accomodating ...we talked for 20 min . i sent him all the email file (i kept everything) he looked it up whyle we were on the phome & told me there were 2 luther clarks at that address ...i had called & talked to the senior who professed ignorance of all ...i asked the officer to impress on the guy thai i am willing to travel to texas to appear in court if i need to ....wait & see what happens now ...be carefull out there d.d.h.

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Mr. Harris, Hi sent you an email with some info you may want to see! take care, Bret

#193845 12/31/2005 06:28 PM
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Copperas Cove is a bedroom community right next to Ft. Hood Texas (The largest military base in the continental US) and many of the residents are in the military. If this weasel is in the military all you’ve got to do is contact his commanding officer and the problem will be solved –PRONTO!

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DD,

Texasuberalles has a good point. You can call Ft. Hood at 287-1110 (The area code is 254). Ask for the base locator, and see if you can find Luther Clark, or better yet, what unit he is in.

Here is a list of useful phone numbers:

http://www.hood.army.mil/fthood/Info/useful_numbers.htm


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Hi DD!
Sorry to hear about this, I will be going to Houston TX in the next several weeks. If you would like me to file papers for you I would be happy to!
How exactly did he do this to you? I think we Internet dealers have this fear always in the back of our minds. So far, I have been incredibly lucky to have wonderful and easy to deal with customers. But I know there are some nasty people out there.
Best Wishes,
Bob

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AGAIN THANKS FOR ALL THE SUPPORT ...THE GOOD COP IN COPPERAS COVE TEXAS HAS SPOKEN WITH THE YOUNGER LUTHER CLARK A COUPLE OF TIMES & MR.CLARK HAS COMMUNICATED TO ME TWICE . HE SAYS HE WILL REFUND MY $2315 WHEN I SEND THE DAGERS BACK TO HIM BUT THAT THE DAGGERS I SENT THE PIX OF WERE NOT THE DAGGERS HE SENT ME http://www.ddsdaggers.com/reprojunk ...I WILL REPORT WHTH THE RESULT D.D.H.

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That is some nasty looking junk. I would nail that kid to a cross, personally!

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Justice has spoken !
Good news and I'm glad that you'll get your money back.
Mark said it all, "nail that kid to a cross". Wink

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DD,

I think we will breath the collective sigh of relief with you when the check is actually found in the envelope from Texas. But, it looks like Luther the Elder stepped in when he realized Junior was going to have to speak with Texas Law Enforcement. Ticking off Texas cops is akin to poking a bear with a sharp stick:

"Look - he's gettin' mad! Now he is showin' his teeth!"

I looked at the picture of the pile of junk you posted. I don't know what my reaction would have been when I opened that box. Probably anger, hurt, and sadness all at once.

Here is hoping it all turns out well, and it appears your RR car is back on the tracks and heading in the right direction now.

I nominate you for the GDC Wound Badge in any case. It will take Vern or Dave to make the final decision I believe.

Those in favor?



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Good for you guys, banding together to help a fellow member who was the victim of a scam! I got scammed once a few years ago in a similar way (non militaria though) for about $600. Showing the person that you know exactly where they are, really helps put that fear into them and get them thinking. Reading this post brings back a lot of memories! These guys usually end up being just some punk kids that still live with the parents. That helps too when you can use the parents to your advantage. I ended up getting most of my money back using similar methods as I read in this post. I second that wound badge recommendation for Harris!!

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DD,

I'm glad the local cops were able to be of service. In my own experience I figured they wouldn't give a whit when they found out it was 3R stuff but nothing could be further from the truth. I'm happy the cop's phone call at least got the guy to contact you. At least he now knows you're not someone that will take being punked lightly. Keep us apprised of the outcome and best of luck!


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DD,
how did you make out on this deal?
please advise because i think borse is still on stand by to clean up this mess! Eek
btw, what did he think or say when pics of his
home were shown? thats gotta be a priceless email!



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I would also like to know how this worked out for DD & hope that he got a right result. I know exactly how he must feel.
I`ve just taken a look at that "repo junk"
It is interesting to note that the second luft there is the same as one that I have. I got caught with it when I first started collecting, (it was only my 3rd piece) & almost enough for me to leave this hobby....that is how bad it makes you feel.

I`m glad now that I didn`t! At the time nobody here would call it junk because of forum diplomacy. Not a huge amount of money (about $350) but even now almost 3 yrs later it still hurts me to look at it.

Best wishes DD


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Originally posted by jim m:
I agree with JR here. Post his name and where he is located. Several of us were ripped off by a Canadian scam artist and it took quite a bit of joint effort on our part working with the Canadian authorities; but he has been arrested and is due up for trial soon.
This scam involved a least 3 members of this forum including myself and also included two other prominent members of the collecting community who don't post here but at least have been informed as to what's going on.
One of the big advantages we had is we were able to identify what was happening early on through the interaction of us on this Forum.
There may be others who are in the same boat.
Jim

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Originally posted by jim m:
I agree with JR here. Post his name and where he is located. Several of us were ripped off by a Canadian scam artist and it took quite a bit of joint effort on our part working with the Canadian authorities; but he has been arrested and is due up for trial soon.
This scam involved a least 3 members of this forum including myself and also included two other prominent members of the collecting community who don't post here but at least have been informed as to what's going on.
One of the big advantages we had is we were able to identify what was happening early on through the interaction of us on this Forum.
There may be others who are in the same boat.
Jim


Who was the Canadian Crook since I just bought one from a member of this community. His name started with a P. Sorry for the repost.

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well ,if his name was Paul by any chance,i wouldn't worry Smile!! The Canadian that was mentioned as a crook was pretty well put out to pasture...

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Kursk is right, if its a member of this forum who is also a dealer named Paul, you dont have anything to worry about he is one of the best.


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Just happened to catch this before I call it a night. If you bought something from "Paul" who posts and sells as LakesideTrader you don't have a worry in the world. He's one of the best in this hobby.
Jim

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Greetings Guys!
Just got ripped off by Luther Clark myself for $190. Armband that was never sent. Paid by Postal Money Order so am going to start there. In the meantime. watch out for this guy. His ebay handle is whitefang75. His email address is lj_678@msn.com. Avoid this guy like the plague!


Best regards,
Bill

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