UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories Medals & Badges of the Third Reich Forum '100' General Assault Badge

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Back. I read the topic below about inactivity so I invite you cordially to discuss this badge.

Bill

Other than the obvious statement that the gilt has been absorbed I do not feel qualified to comment on these badges.

--dj--Joe

I would like to note that I am used to seeing the bottom two oakleaves extend past the head of the grenade and the hilt of the bayonet on examples of these awards.

--dj--Joe

I to do not feel comfortable about these types, they are so darn rare. I can actually say I have never once handled one of these before. Looks like a nice badge but wehter or not it's good I can't say. Lets see what some of our other guys say. Thanks for posting Willy.

Fritziii

I find it hard to beleive that someone could servive to earn one of these!! I have no idea if it is real or not. Looks nice though!!

Dare to compare.

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There was more than one maker.

Bill

yep.

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Unfortunately, not mine but for your examination and comparison, this is an original "JFS" example.

John

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Gold, GOLD, whose has all the gold?

I am not sure what type of plating or coating the gold was that the manufacturers applied, but the coatings surely on many of these did not survive.

Is there any documentation on perhaps one or 2 of these that were made from gold and silver?

Anyone have any idea on how many of these were awarded?

How do these stack up against Knight Crossses, were there more of those than of this 100 award?

Anyone have a 100 Panzer to show?

The 100 GAB can be found on the collectortocollectormilitaria.com site. It came out of an old collection with a complete set of GAB's and this is the only one left.

Jim

Nice badges guys~!

Those late war finishes just didn't seem to hold up to the zinc metal bases.

Were there any 1957 re-issues of these? If so, there couldn't have been many.

The GAB is a common but nicely designed badge..The 25 in all actuality should be pretty common too but they are just not around..
These 100s are really rare..John your buddies from all the references looks textbook JFS,,and Rich yours could be the unmarked version,,,but is WillyBs example the unmarked RK? any member with a RK marked 100 we could have a look at? , G.

I looked at numerous examples before I replied, I did not note any examples without the oak leaves protruding past the head of the grenade or the pommel of the bayonet. Either style.

--dj--Joe

The badge is of course a fake. This was made by some American dealers and fooled a few people! It is zinc. One of those dealers is a member here. Is that why nobody want to come right out and just say it's a fake?

Bill

They are all zinc to my knowledge! I did not title it fake simply because I was not 100% positive up to this point, and was still researching. Thanks for the clarification. I for one do not appreciate being tested, if you knew it to be a fake why not come out with it? Have not seen that many depicted, have never held one and could not afford one!

Thanks for the lesson!

--dj--Joe

Me neither,,not cool,test someone else..

Well, at least we got to see a couple others that are original,thanks..The 75s are the exact badge but with different # plate..Heres shots of bayo handle and grenade head protruding...

front,, from a 1994 ref. book..
Guess its time to get the new monograph that came out on the GABs! , G.

I had my suspicions on the badge you posted WillyB, as that is why the header in my post was "dare to compare".

I must say however, not seeing many of these around, I had uncertainty about yours posted.

The only type production of this badge from what I have seen is the one I have listed as well as what John listed with manufacturers proof marks.

It is all I have ever seen pictured as well as in a promanent dealers showcase that proved to be originals.

Because of my limited travels to shows, and seeing very, very few of these, I could not be certain, nor would I loosely incriminate anothers item without that certainty.

That being said, this particular badge is a very heavy solid piece as shown in my posting.

The pin on your piece posted is something that had cause to make me suspious, as well as the hinge and lower catch. With the weight of this badge, I can't imagine the narrow round pin holding the badge well to the tunic.

It would be interesting to see what the weight difference is between yours, the one I posted, and if possible the one John posted.

I was not "testing" you. I read the discussion about how dead this forum is and wanted to stimulate some intelligent discussion. My reference to zinc was because it is a difficult metal for most fakers. I thank the members who responded in a polite way but take note of the others who were not so friendly. Therefore, I think I will not post in this part of the website again since it causes so much offence. Now we see why this forum is not so active, maybe? You should be more friendly.

Bill

Willy, sorry,not really the testing thing that ****es me off but this comment : *"One of those dealers is a member here. Is that why nobody want to come right out and just say it's a fake?"*
No one here is going to protect a bent dealer! By writing that you insult some of the members here who honestly work hard trying to help other members out AND the long time experienced collectors that don't want to play the game.Your saying the badge is fake, fine, it doesn't matter where it came from,,a fake is a fake..Offer the badge up for study as a fake and your findings the guys will appreciate it,,,Oh yeah,,welcome to the forum. .


Claimed original,listed in a reference, heres another, same type but with even a thinner pin. As Joe mentioned no protrusions of handle and grenade head..

My reply was generated by an accusative tone (whether real or imagined) from the post Gaspare referenced and the following link.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/800097...440035904#9440035904
Pertaining to the above, IMO, my reply was not impolite.
Members who deem my past posts to be ungracious or who find me merely ostentatious, please feel free to take me to task!
I can be noncommital, but I do not claim omniscience. Would that we all were.

My apology if I have misinterpreted. I am here to learn what I can and assist when and where I can.

--dj--Joe

Gaspare, the last image you posted appears to have the tips of the oak leaves protruding past the grenade head and the bayonet pommel which appears on known originals.

--dj--Joe

Bill,

Please don't leave, it is what it is, and that sometimes can make these forums what they are.

I have been pizzed on royally here in the past, but stuck with it to prove right from wrong. I don't post often, due to that past conflict, but it seems that these forum "drifters" who cause the largest problems seem to do so for the joy of it.

Its like they don't have a cat or dog they can kick, so they do so here. Bad on them that they get their jollies like that, but aside from that there are those that do read this and want to learn and read beyond stuff that maybe comes off wrong in one persons view.

For those that contributed to this thread, they do so to learn, specially if they are posting images.

Hope you reconsider.

Gaspare, as posted prior, these badges are really heavy, the pin would seem to be too weak to support the weight of the badge, specially if these were worn in the field in combat.

Looking at the assembly you've shown in the line drawing(?)is not different what so ever that what Bill posted. The front of the badge posted by Bill from what I see shows no variation from the JFS that John posted, nor the example that I posted.

So Bill, where is the difference at in these badges?

What gives indication that the badge is a knock off? Is it the zinc alone?

My thought was the pin, hinge and catch, but maybe I am missing something here.

Dear Rich,

Thank you for your courteous response. However, I have been aggressed by some members and a moderator, which answers the question of why standards have lowered down, so I do not feel like sharing any information publicly at the moment. I would be happy to discuss numbered GAB with you privately.

Best wishes,

Bill

Drifters? Aggressed? Lowered standards? Is there an agenda here that I am missing?

--dj--Joe

There is no "agenda". I made a couple of critical remarks in two discussions on this website about how standards have lowered and three or four people, out of hundreds of readers, reacted badly. Clearly these people feel that my remarks applied to them even though these were very generalized remarks about all internet forums. They are a minority. This shows that a minority can have a major effect on a community in a negative way. Some members here say serious members went away because of idiots. I am quite a serious person, but I laugh too, and a few people are trying to chase me away too! Quod erat demonstrandum. The discussions on low standards are justified.

Bill

--dj--Joe

My apologies to everyone here. I've been out with a cold and missed "WillyB".

"WillyB" is a banned member who returns now and then to do ..... well, just what you see above. He signed on as everyone was going to SOS.Anyway he is gone again.

In a day or two, I will cut off all the nastyness and leave the rest as a reference.

Dave