#18051
04/12/2009 09:13 PM
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Here is another dagger... the blade doesn't have the obvious signs of fakery, the gilting in the etch, because it doesn't have an etch.
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18052
04/12/2009 09:14 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18053
04/12/2009 09:14 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18054
04/12/2009 09:14 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18055
04/12/2009 09:15 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18056
04/12/2009 09:15 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18057
04/12/2009 09:15 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18058
04/12/2009 09:15 PM
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Always looking for Eickhorns and etched bayonets.
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#18059
04/12/2009 09:16 PM
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Last Pic:
A number on the scabbard throat that is the same as the one on the blade.
Opinions?
John
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#18060
04/12/2009 11:14 PM
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I have seen some of this daggers,but i cant help u.
I have seen them,dont know mutch about them.
Regards
Carlos1
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#18061
04/13/2009 02:12 PM
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Carlos:
If you see any of these with nice engravings and gold inlay on things like the coat of arms, then you know it is a fake. The originals have really poor and crappy engravings... not at all like the German stuff we are used to.
But, this blade looks plated, is unmarked and has no etchings, only the stamped numbers which match the ones on the scabbard.
I am curious if this is a legitimate variation.
John
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#18062
04/13/2009 02:43 PM
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I am waiting until our Hungarian members speak on this one. There is a lot good on this dagger but the weak detail is troubling. But, I am not sure so let us give this one some time and see what others think
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#18063
04/14/2009 04:16 PM
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Hi I can post pics of mine dagger. Jim is right our hungarian friends should speak about this one.
1.jpg (54.37 KB, 195 downloads)
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#18064
04/14/2009 04:17 PM
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details of the scabbard dagger for officers
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#18065
04/14/2009 04:18 PM
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detail of the scabbard non commisoned officers
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#18066
04/14/2009 04:19 PM
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poor etching of the blade,someone sharpened the blade.Of course it is not the sign of originality  4.jpg (64.74 KB, 192 downloads)
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#18067
04/14/2009 04:20 PM
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Plain blade in second dagger
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#18068
04/14/2009 04:22 PM
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detail of the crossguard
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#18069
04/14/2009 04:23 PM
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the other one
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#18070
04/14/2009 04:23 PM
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back
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#18071
04/14/2009 04:24 PM
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back another
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#18072
04/14/2009 04:28 PM
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compare these I have to say that non commisioned has a better quality but I dont say the other one is a repro .Ted
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#18073
04/14/2009 04:29 PM
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Ted's are absolutely correct and good for comparison. It was one of the Hungarians who had mentioned overall detail before. Although I think the nickle plated one may have been restored a little bit. Thank you Ted
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#18074
05/02/2009 04:14 PM
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Congrats Ted, those Hungarian daggers are beautiful.
JohnZ: to tell you the truth I don't like the Air Forces dagger what you have...
I have seen several daggers like yours in Hungary. All of them had numbered parts, painted wood grip, plain blade.
I think it is a better repro than the others, but still a repro.
You can see the terrible quality details on the pommel: you won't find that kind of quality on an original dagger.
I don't like the scabbard release button also (it is the typical fake-style) and the quality of the whole dagger.
I am very suspicious with these very-very accurately numbered daggers.
Personaly I have never seen an original Air Force dagger numbered that way. But the 90% of the fakes has numbered parts. It is logical, the fakers belive that it looks more legit if a dagger numbered everywhere.
There was a manufacturer named Koz�k Antal. He made daggers with numbered blade. But those daggers has way more better quality than yours.
The dagger what you have is a hard piece. First time I saw a dagger like yours I was confused. Not gilted blade: it was a good sign. But I didn't like the whole dagger. I was thinking for days if is it original or not. But when I found another 5-6 for sale within two weeks...
The worst thing with the Hungarian repros that there are 7-8 "generation" of fakes. Ones are easy to detect (gilted coat of arms, named blades, etc.) and ones are not.
Your dagger is a quite professional repro, without the well known red flags, but it is still a repro.
Janos
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#18075
05/04/2009 08:17 PM
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Hi guys, here is my Hungarian air force. Any thoughts on if its a repro or not. Does not have the obvious signs and the quality is good but with all the fakes around who knows?
Simon J Lawrence
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#18076
05/04/2009 08:17 PM
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Simon J Lawrence
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#18077
05/04/2009 08:18 PM
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Simon J Lawrence
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#18078
05/04/2009 08:18 PM
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Simon J Lawrence
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#18079
05/04/2009 08:20 PM
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Simon J Lawrence
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#18080
05/04/2009 08:42 PM
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Hi Simon,
would you post a closer photo of the maker mark and the blade?
Janos
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#18081
05/04/2009 10:18 PM
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Hi Janos, here are the pics.
Simon J Lawrence
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#18082
05/04/2009 10:18 PM
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Simon J Lawrence
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#18083
05/05/2009 12:20 PM
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Hi Simon,
sorry, the etch and the maker mark is a typical repro.
Original etches are hand made and have differnt design.
Janos
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#18084
05/09/2009 07:34 PM
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I just got a Hungarian AF in on consigment and I believe it to be original. The pommel is helo on by a screw.
Janos, others, what do you think.
Note the ricasso mark.
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#18085
05/09/2009 07:34 PM
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#18086
05/09/2009 07:35 PM
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#18087
05/09/2009 07:36 PM
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#18088
05/09/2009 07:37 PM
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TM or shool marking? any suggestions
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#18089
05/09/2009 07:37 PM
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#18090
05/10/2009 10:06 AM
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Hi Jim,
it is a beautiful period dagger.
The mark on the ricasso is maker mark.
I have seen it an several original dagger.
Here is a picture of this mark from my archives.
Janos
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