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Some of you guys that know army daggers---do you know anything about this trademark?

I have a SA by this maker but don't know if they made Army daggers. I checked Fishers and under this maker only SA is listed as a product from them. I would be very cautious.

Any chance we could see this dagger in some different pictures???

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Von Ryan

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They made armies. It is a stamped trade mark with G. Weyersberg over Solingen. I'll dig mine out the check the fittings. Looks like yours is generic crossguard. Actually it looks more like a second style WKC.

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I have never seen that maker mark on an artificial damascus blade before..

I would be very careful on this as the style and inscription is very similar to fakes out of Eastern Europe about 20 years ago..i believe that thread is now gone as well, i can't source it..

Generic type A with what looks like a pack scabbard and the dagger itself looks fine,would the tang of the blade be marked?. Denny mentions this maker on his list and rates it as a 9.......I hope its good!!.

Here are some photos of the G. Weyersberg mark on an early Army with a plain blade.

Gentlemen, thanks for your pictures and input.

Should have some tang pics in the next day or so. These pieces always concern me. However we must judge each piece individually, or else we miss an occasional good one. It looks like real damascus to me. Just off the top I don't like the patina of the blade, the lack of wear on the letters and the total lack of any residue between these raised letters. More to come. It is interesting that the piece is priced the same as a regular army dagger.

The inscription doesn't look good to me. The entire dedication appears to match the Letraset dry transfer alphabet of "Old English" exactly. Often see this mechanical font used on fake dedications...

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Hmmm. I have to say that if it is a fake they did a great job on the maker smark. VERY detailed and crisp.
It appears to be real demast. rather than the etched variety to me as well.

Doug- Is this your dagger? The crossguard eagle looks to be very special. I do not recall this type off hand. Is it in Whitty's reference? I have never seen the raised circle below the swaz. Eagle looks different as well. Is this a G. Weyersberg version???

Hello Johnny,

Yes, the early G. Weyersberg Army is mine. All of the G. Weyersberg examples (with plain blade) that I have owned or seen have all had Horster fittings. The crossguard on this one is an early Horster crossguard. You can see the raised circle in the photo in Tom's book on page 37. I also have an early Horster Army with the same exact crossguard. Later examples of G. Weyersberg armies also used later Horster fittings. I had a late one that had the crossguard and the pommel with the Horster sword through the H logo cast in them like you see on page 44 of Tom's book. In my case it was interesting to see that relationship between G. Weyersberg and Horster carry through from their early daggers to their later daggers.

Here are some photos of the later one:







Thanks, Doug

Doug,
Thanks for ther info.
I am away from my books so I could not check out the crossguard in the reference, must have slipped my mind.
Interesting relationship between the makers, probably located across the street from one another, or perhaps they were related??
Thanks again, and NICE Heers!!!
Johnny

Mon cher Vic.

La r�giment dixieme remplacement "Gro�deutschland" n'a exist� jamais.

Mon salutations.

According to my friend in France this regiment never existed !!

Is this list complete?

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Infanteriedivisionen/IDGD.htm

Vic,

Very interesting piece! The trophy cup mark with stars is a known mark for Gottfired Weyersberg Sohne but I've never seen this particular mark on anything. I have seen the plain cup with stars mark on a dress bayonet with the distributor "Baron", I believe Denny Gaither owns it. A very rare mark on anything. I've seen a few Heer daggers by this maker, but the maker mark was as Doug shows it. As I've heard before, just because we've never seen this before doesn't mean it didn't exist. But then again, it doesn't mean it did exist either. I'm with Vic, let's take this dagger piece by piece but with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Looks like he is right!

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Ersatztruppen.htm

Vic,
Show us some Tang.

Eric, these pics were from a "picker" in Germany. He comes up with a lot of items, some great, some not so great. If you don't act right away he moves down his list, so this dagger is gone.

Interesting dagger reminds me of the one shown on wehrmacht awards awhile back by Klittermann & Moog. This mark is the same one that appears on SA daggers? As was the Klittermann & Moog both highly suspect IMHO.