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Hello, Could I please get you guys opinions on these tabs???

Thanks,

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Hi Mack,, Hope I'm wrong but I think the only thing that might be real is the rank pip..

Thank you Gaspare. When these were given to me, I was told that supposedly the tabs, this armband, and some other stuff all came from the same soldier.

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Well, since no one else is jumping forward.

I have never seen an armband with the black/white trim like that. Or any documentation or reference to such an armband ever existing. The white roundel does not look like it is the correct material.

The piping on the collar tabs looks too wide. I don't like the runic material either.

i will agree with the previous comments,,looks all like reproductions,,robert

Thanks for the opinions guys! I really appreciate them. well hmmmmmm.... I don't know what to think... on the one hand i have a few people saying "no" to the collar tabs, but on the other i have a really prestigous dealer (who will remain nameless)offering to buy them from from me... so i dont know what to think.

IF they are real, they would be LSSAH, as they were the first to use the runes with the twist piping. Being very early could account for the oddness of construction.

That being said, my gut feeling is "no". But if they were mine I would squirrel them away "just in case".

Sorry, I am not much more help, but if everything were black & white, we wouldn't need the forums!

As Mr. Jerry says, there's a "just in case" factor here.

I bought a grouping of LSSAH circa 1934 insignia over 15 years ago including a variety of EM collar tabs, boards and several sleevebands. All were early and some had very odd construction.

Think about the early SS helmet decals and how quickly they evolved making the previous variations obsolete - like the SS runes in a circle or the white runes on black shield with the corner nipped out.

The armband looks fine to me - I've never seen one before but the configuration has a logic to it and the twisted piping is well applied. It may not be related to the tabs but may be from another organization in Germany or worn by foreign Nazi organizations in countries with a German minority, used briefly until the RZM regulations were passed.

Some German populations in occupied areas had even more unusual uniforms: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t...&highlight=DJ+buckle

I'm not up on tabs but... the thick black and white piping...why not?

Find photos of early Party Rallies at Nurnberg and take a magnifying glass to them and maybe you'll see insignia approximating the ones you have.

If you have a dealer interested he apparently knows something you don't (or thinks he does) - if you really want to sell, ask for triple his offer and see if he still goes for it or continues the negotiations.

I have to disagree with the previous post. The construction and materials of this armband are from the RZM period. It is supposed to have black stripes. And I don't think the piping is applied well at all. It is simply tacked on.

The tabs are a tougher call. Why is the piping gleaming white but the runes look dirty. Yes, there are plenty of non-textbook tabs out there. But I stick to the textbook.

If these came from the same soldier, he was definitely an oddball.

Thank you guys for the information! i appreciate your postings. thes items and several others were given (not sold) to me by an 85 year old widow of a vet, not sure about his company, rank, or military history, but i can find out. her husband died years ago. Then her son inhereted the collection, he "added som stuff" to the collection there were a few Pure all the way fantasy pieces, and i'm not talking about period looking fakes, but like iron on patches and some outlandish looking eagles. now this guy took lots of time GLUING!!!! and framing and making nice little neat STUPID! displays with his daddies war trophies, but what i'm getting at is that when i say supposedly all came from the same soldier i mean that when she was showing and explaining all of these items (took her about a total of 3 hours!)she pulled out this little collage that consisted of an SS post card of an officer, the armband, the tabs, and a more than likely fake AH cufftitle. she told me how all of the items in the frame, that were GLUED!!! down mind you, were all from the soldier in the photo, which obviously was not, she told me "see the square pieces on his collar these are those" she said... she has very poor eyesight, the soldier was wearing some completely different, but any way thats why i stressed supposedly on the same soldier bit. thats what my grandmothers 85 year old friends account of the item. like i said thought there were helmets, and pennants, and all kinds of stuff, but she had something to say about every piece! it was great!

As far as selling these items go i really don't want to sell any of it, as i could never afford any of the SS stuff anyway. I was just thrilled to death when i saw those collar tabs, since i started collecting I have always been captivated by collar tabs, and have always known that unless i get lucky, that i will never be able to (buy) own a pair.

a small piece of info about that may or may not be relevent, they dont show up real well on the camera, but there are moth nips all over the armband

One more question..... if i tear these tabs apart, i mean unfold them, would you guys be able to tell for sure then?

i figured i might as well post these as well....

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This how a BeVo style cuffband has to look.
Only a view BeVo titels have a different outer border thickness but this is not the rule for the more common titles like this one.
This shown AH title is common to find repro.

I agree with Robert, the AH cuff shown is no good.

And what "soldier" is going to be wearing SS collar tabs with pre-1940 piping and some weird Allgemeine SS armband?

The AH title is the old repro that is missing the upstroke on the "o".

Also, the rank tab is consistent with the series of fakes that had too much cloth wrapped around the back.

If I had a dealer offering me money for this stuff, I would take it.

i dont like the "fuzziness" of the collar tabs,,,if there truly is a dealer who wants these,make him happy...

thanks to all of you. as is said i already suspected the cuff to be fake, everything else that i got that was SS was fake, so i figured that would be fake as well.

I have two questions please....

Can anyone out there either please post a link or some pictures of some real collar tabs piped the way these are? I have seen three fakes as these on here but never any real ones.

Also I have 1 book on SS cloth, but its not very thorough and The photo's in it don't rate very well either. I was hoping that one of you fine folks could point me to the hands down most in depth best SS cloth book out there! please!!!!!!

Try finding "Cloth Insignia of the SS" by Angolia,(ISBN No. 0-912138-28-9) published by Bender. It's out of print but I see them for sale from time to time. Bender also caries "Collecting Third Reich SS & Political cuffbands" by Ulric of England (volumes 1&2)

Thank you Raymond!