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How many numbers did an SS Man have and where do you all go when you want to look them up?

From what I know these numbers were kept recorded on 'SS Dienstaltersliste' that recorded party#,ss#,D.O.B.,and some awards and other info of ss officers.
Some of these available list were reprinted and are offered for sale.
Bernie Brule has a book out called 'The Key'that has combined and indexed the info thats available for quick reference.
More extensive research is available from researchers,many who are on this forum.

The lists and Bernie's book apply only to SS Officers, not enlist men.

Dave

SEnd an e-mail to...:
www.ss-numbers.com
Ross Kelbaugh
with the information you need.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

You're saying that only officers had numbers?

What's the books name?

Do you have any other references for extensive research?

ALL SS men/Officers had numbers.
Read my mail re Ross Kelbaugh.He is your man for assistance.Mail him.
Seiler (yank in UK)

How many numbers did an SS man have?

My take on this:

All SS men had an SS number. Those of the officers were recorded in a rank list that was published several times between 1934 and 1944.

There is no similar central reference for enlisted men.

Numbers? A man had only one SS number. Many of the officers also joined the Nazi Party and had Party numbers. Presumably, some or many enlisted men also joined the Party.

Besides those, some may have been members of the HJ, RAD, SA, etc previously and had numbers there too.

Dave

Good straight forward overview,Dave.
If our Member wishes greater depth of info,
still say he should go to the "Expert" like Ross
et.al.
Cheers.
Seiler(Doug )

Did an SS Man have a single number? The only reason why I think it's more is because when I look at certain SS daggers, there are numbers on it like 1336477. Same thing with rings.

If I'm understanding your question correctly,yes every ss member had only one ss number that could have been very low or may have gone into the hundreds of thousands.
I'm not sure if it actually reached into the millions like the number you listed as a example shows.
Maybe that type of number would be a NSDAP # which would have easily reached into the millions.

Oh ok. I understand now. Yes, I was asking if it could be very low or very high.

Hi All:

Let me share some of what I have learned after more than two years of intensive search into creating my database of now more than 80,000 SS numbers not in the SS Dienstalterslistes. First, not every SS Mann had a SS number. They were given to every SS Mann, both officers, NCO's and enlisted, from the beginning of the SS up through the end of the 1930s. What I am not sure of is if new members to the Allgemeine after that point continued to receive SS numbers. All new recruits to the Waffen SS, who had not been in the Allgemeine SS, did not receive a SS number. They are primarily tracked by birthdate instead of a serial number like the US Army. Those who had received SS numbers before that time still had their numbers track them on much of their paper trail through to the end of the war. The highest two SS numbers in Bernie's The Key are 625 419 are 729 370. The highest numbers I have found have been in the low 500,000's. I recorded a "828 519" but no others above the 500,000's so I believe it was a typo. And believe me, there are frequent typos involving lists with SS numbers. That is why it is imperative to check additional records to confirm a SS number on any document before accepting it as accurate, particularly if you are buying a SS dagger or sword based on that preliminary identification. I recently had a case where the SS Mann's SS number was being mixed up with his NSDAP number on official documents since they were both five digits. Which leads to another point that, from what I have seen, there are no SS numbers of more than six digits. And I have come across at least one SS Mann who had two SS numbers and the anomaly was confirmed in official orders.

Its been an interesting project that, so far, has identified the SS owners of more than 100 SS daggers that were unknown just two years ago. I reached the personal "100" goal just last week and surprisingly passed it in a couple of days.

Regards,

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Great information Ross.

I appreciate your qualified opinion.

To get this straight your saying in your experiences you've never seen a ss # that belonged to a member of the Waffen ss that had not first been in the Allgemeine ss?

Thanks

That's what I have observed. This includes the SS men in Leibstandarte SS-Adolf Hitler and the rest of the SS-Verf�gungstruppe (SS-VT) who received SS numbers as well in the 1930s. With creation and expansion of the Waffen-SS, it appears that the new recruits did not receive SS numbers. I have not seen any order to this effect, but draw the conclusion from examining the personnel files and other official documents. When I go through SS service personnel files, I can predict, with rare exception, that anyone born in 1920 and later in the SS will not have a SS number. I believe this is due in part to the practical aspect where the SS expanded into well over a million members and the difficulty of maintaining the unique numbering system (though the US Army was able to handle it). Perhaps it was also intended to keep those original members special.

Regards,
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

Did you receive my email?

quote:

Originally posted by Ross Kelbough (SS-Researcher):
That's what I have observed. This includes the SS men in Leibstandarte SS-Adolf Hitler and the rest of the SS-Verf�gungstruppe (SS-VT) who received SS numbers as well in the 1930s. With creation and expansion of the Waffen-SS, it appears that the new recruits did not receive SS numbers. I have not seen any order to this effect, but draw the conclusion from examining the personnel files and other official documents. When I go through SS service personnel files, I can predict, with rare exception, that anyone born in 1920 and later in the SS will not have a SS number. I believe this is due in part to the practical aspect where the SS expanded into well over a million members and the difficulty of maintaining the unique numbering system (though the US Army was able to handle it). Perhaps it was also intended to keep those original members special.

Regards,
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com