UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe Forum Name the maker

O.K lets have a bit of fun, name the maker and tell me why it is that maker?. no guessing unless you have a reason.

Gary

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Holler.....early and 1st type .

good answer but not right.
Gary

Well on close inspection the ferrule and deformed swas would suggest Alcoso, if its neither of these I give up .

Very nice either way.

Not Alcoso.

Anybody else want to play.

Gary

Looks like the third style WKC crossguard.

The ferrule pommel and scabbard also look to WKC.

Whats on the blade guys, it's not WKC.

Gary

Klaas

Its SMF ..crossguard and scabbard rings are a dead give away

Weyersberg, Gottfried

HI GARY SEND PICS OF THE FORRESTRY KNOTS SOON,MY GUESS IS SMF.
DIPPY

Good guesses guys but no cigar.

Gary

I suppose I have to give it away now.

Gary

must be a parts piece then..
I think it could be AXT-U-Hauerfabrik. Heres why (identical Xguard):

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I give up on the maker, I just want to know who made that crossguard. Fitzer is that dagger yours, its absolutely stunning and only the 2nd time I have seen this mark on an army ( could be 3 if Baz spills the beans ).

Looks like the crossguard on the Wusthof on page 259 of the Wittmann book.

That has to be a Richard Plumacher.

Has to be an Axt u. Hauer Fabrik.. Crossguard looks just like mine.(thats the back of mine in my avitar)Also has the Pack scabbard like mine. Where did you find that one!! Did you get Denny's? Both real beauties! Yours and Fitzers!! Eric,that is a good guess,I have seen an early Plumacher with this crossguard! Kevin.

I dug out my Axt and Wusthof, the Axt looks the closest. Here's a pic of both. The Axt is on the left.

Fitzer, that's quite an amazing dagger that you have, I've never seen that maker marked before.

HANS, Like to see more of both of those babies!!! Kevin.

Here's a close up of the AXt crossguard. It looks just like Fitzer's only not nearly as nice of a dagger. That is one sweet dagger.

Kevin,
Here's the only other I have of the photo of Wusthof. I found it three years ago at the SOS. The blade is mint, but the previous owner cleaned the hell out of it.

That Wustof is a rare one Hans! CONGRATS! I hope to have one some day to sit next to my Axt! Kevin.

Eric

I take my hat off to you.

Gary

No wonder nobody recognized, as I am thinking PL�MACHER "commonly" (it�s a seven in Denny�s 4-10 list, ten is rare or near to one of a kind) is associated with a different "look" of crossguard and well known for much more hand enhancing to the wing feathers. But it might be in the photographs as mine too does not show the hand enhancement very good.
what is the material of the crossguard? It somehow looks like silvered iron to me. Did you proof it?
These AXT & HAUER are also really wonderful daggers and quite rare!
Regards,

Its mm.

And in total.
Regards,

Hi Wotan

I believe you are asking me if the crossguard is magnetic, obviously with an early maker like this it shouldn't be and it isn't, I do not see too many Plumacher's and believe it is a little rarer than a 7 on Denny's list, it's a 9 on my list that I got from Denny, perhaps my list is old. Anyway it's exactly as it should be and matches the one in TW's book on Pg 261-262. Plenty of handwork on the crossguard it's just slightly worn is all, 14 leaf pommel and all the other attributes of a very early army dagger.
The reason for my initial post is to make guys think a little on what they are looking at, it seems to me that a lot of information is not forthcoming in many threads, too many "Nice dagger" posts without any real information coming out, if you all were too look back on this thread a lot of information can be found on both why this is a Plumacher, also some very sound reasoning why it isn't a WKC or a Alcoso or any other maker. I was hoping you guys would enjoy it as well.

Gary

Hello Baz69, yes I wondered if it would be magnetic. Imo a magnetic/iron crossguard (very rare, known with ALCOSO daggers) is no sign of a late dagger, on the contrary I personally believe them being early although I have no exact knowledge nor proof.
There are several lists from Denny, one ranging from 1-10 (the earliest puplished here in this forum), others from 4-10. In his latest list (4-10) PL�MACHER is a 7. It might scarce but from time to time they do come by.
Your thread is, like any/all posting from you(!), much appreciated by me. You are totally right, there are a lot of "Nice dagger" postings but seldom in depth discussions.
Perhaps the reason is because we (or our hobby) has lost a row of collectors who would have answered your question in a second and correct.
But we see that lot of interest is existing and we all learn each day.
Please keep on!
Regards,

I am still a little confused as to the origins of the crossguard maker, even if they have been extensively hand enhanced. The one shown in Wittmanns book ( page 261 ) on which he states "The fittings are identical to initial production WKC" looks nothing like any early WKC that I own. Wotans example on the other hand is more than likely a modified WKC.
In my opinion the one shown in TW's book and the one shown by Baz are hand enhanced 1st pattern hollers as pictured below.

Baz's Plumacher

Wotans Plumacher

Billy's Pl�macher

Despite some wear and obviously not being side by side my Plumacher appears to be exactly like Billy's. The round eye and funny beak. Mine has a lot of enhancing to the feet. I'll post a photo tommorrow. It is definetly unique, perhaps Plumacher made a couple of different crossguards.

Billy,
Thats a beauty and what looks like a Klaas crossguard. As you would expect from a smaller cottage maker like Plumacher they obviously purchased from larger manufacturers and hand enhanced to suit...to a very high standard.
They certainly went the extra mile. So we have Holler (?), WKC and Klaas any others .