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A neighbor had three bayonets and a helmet in his attic that were from an Uncle.

Here is one of the bayos. It is dated 1907 and is obviously a cut-down from something longer. ID ?

2

There is a Crown with something stamped in the wood on both side of the grip

Point

Date

Attaching thingy

Scabbard 1

S 2

S3

Last one. He'll bring me the other two in a few days.

Dave

Hi Dave its a british patt 1907 bayonet by wilkinson. looks like its been cut down to make a fighting knife. the marks on the grip are inspectors stamps.looks like its in a german k98 frog. hope this helps you
Sean

It was brought back from WWII by a GI who had ended the war in Bavaria or close by Bavaria. Does this make any sense ?

Dave

Dave 1907 is the patt no. not date, the date should be on the other side of the ricasso should look like ( '37 ) number denotes the year.it looks like it was captured by the germans and converted by them to a fighting knife or a batch of rifles with bayos were captured and the bayos shortened to match the lenght of k98 bayos.
hope this helps you
Sean

Sean,

I cannot see a date on the other side of the blade. There is what appears to be the remains of what is an inspector's mark and an X.

The work to shorten the bayonet was professional, not an amateur effort or even something the Company armourer did. It reminds me of the shortened German Police bayos.

The frog has been on there a long time. The leather is stiff with age.

Can anyone think of a German rifle that could use this bayo?

Thanks,
Dave

Dave,

This is not a German rework. It is a non-regulation cut down British bayonet. Probably done postwar and the German frog was added as the original British frog would have been khaki web. The X mark is a British bending proof.

Werent some of these bayonets cut down and used by the french foreign legion? I cant remember where I read it, but apparently they were reworked and used as fighting knives post war.

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Werent some of these bayonets cut down and used by the french foreign legion? I cant remember where I read it, but apparently they were reworked and used as fighting knives post war.

Those were US M1917�s.

As for the shortened P1907 in question: The Germans acquired quite a few of these, with the rifles, on the beaches of Dunkirk for instance. These bayonets and rifles, like many other captured weapons (Beutewaffen), received a German designation and were issued to German non-combat units e.g. for guard duties. I have never seen or heard of a German shortened P1907 bayonet, but I would not rule out that they may have existed. I know that they also shortened captured Dutch M1895 bayonets which were re-issued to German rear guard units.

I just got the other two and they are exactly the same as the first, but in a bit worse condition.

To me, finding one weird combination (cut down British + a K98 frog) could mean anything, but three of them brought back from Bavaria (or perhaps Czechoslovakia) suggests that this was not a chance combination or a postwar fantasy.

The owner, a neighbor, got these 40-50 years ago from an uncle. He also got a whip, which came (according to the story) from a concentration camp. Whether the bayos came from there is lost to time.

Any thoughts ?

Thanks,
Daev

Hello,

shorted British bayonet P1907, issued with German frogs, were used in German trainee units, Reichsarbeitsdienst and others togethers (ma by railway) with the captured rifles SMLE No1MkIII (G281(e) )

These P1907 were captured during the WW2 in large quantities.

in the German list of used captured arms (Kennbl�tter fremden Ger�tes DV50/1 1943) this bayonet were called "Seitengewehr 101(e)" former "Bayonet No1 Mk1".

Thanks,

Interesting that the guy who brought back these three bayos also brought back a helmet that was once RAD:

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2583025185/m/9550093075/p/2

Dave

yes... the chance is very hig that this bayonet was used as a seitengewehr 101(e) by Reichsarbeitsdienst.

Accaptance stamps were normaly not put on.
The Germans captuered very large quantitis in D�nkirchen und North Afrika... the bayontes were shorted to the lenght of an SG84/98 und were blued.

But his bayontes were never issued to german front units.

Here are pictures of all three:

Closer

Any guesses on value. The one on the left is in the best condition and is the one shown in detail at the start. The others are in poor shape.

Dave

Hi Dave not sure on value but if you sell them please let me know i am interested in one
thanks sean

yes i�m interessed in one too.