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Hello,
As usual I have more questions. First off I want to thank all of you guys who have always taken the time to answer my many questions regarding items. There have been some who consistently given their help, such as Joe, Gaspare,Bill Warda. If I have forgotten anyone please accept my apologies because my thanks go to all of you. Okay now on to my questions. Badge pictures will follow. I saw the thread on the AS in triangle tank assault badge, of which I also have one LOL so I figured I'd ask about a few more. The General assault badge and the anti aircraft badge I believe are definately bad correct? Am i correct in that it is said there is a real assault badge like this except that their should be no logo on the back? The anti aircraft badge, well the swastica is deformed, and I read somewhere that they never used the sw68 on these badges? The last badge,the kufstein 1944 badge, any ideas? It doesn't look very detailed and on the back you can see a crack around the left side. Is this badge a real badge and just made of inferior materials cause of late date or is it a repro? Again I thank you all for your help and sorry for the long worded query.
Duzig(Bill)

reverse of assault badge

anti aircraft:

reverse:

front

Sorry for the screw up and double pictures. I couldn't edit or delete it apparently so if anyone can please do. Last two pics are of kufstein badge

reverse:
Again thanks for all your help guys,it is appreciated and it's about time I said it.

Hi Bill,

Can't help you with the others but below is a picture of what I consider to be an original Kufstein 1944 Kreisschiessen in gold with oakleaves.

To start with this grade of badge should be gold coloured. It could be argued that perhaps the colour has faded on the one you show but I doubt it. This company sells copies of them & they are silver as well http://www.soldat.com/ord%20political_SA_Daybadges.htm check out the very bottom of the page.

Mine is unmarked but Poellath is a known maker of Kufstein badges from earlier years. There is no pitting on either the front or reverse of mine compared to the one you show.

I'd say the one you show is cast but whether it's been cast from one like mine or not is hard to say. Look at the indentation to the left of the large window on the tower, on mine it's definitely a window. However other areas are different like the target with the Swastika.....

On the whole I'd say it's a fake.

Cheers
Don

reverse has no markings, but is smooth with no pitting or cracks.

Hello,
Don thanks much for your comment. I kind of figured the kufstein badge was probably bad and compared to the one you show mine certainly looks bad...I'd even say the one in the picture from soldat looks better than mine LOL. And I'm sorry I didn't mention my thanks to you in my first post also. You are another of the people who consistently give their help selflessly. Again thanks for all your help.
Duzig(Bill)

There is a GAB book out there, Don, you have a copy if I recall correctly. Written by Frank H.

--dj--Joe

Bill,

It's a pleasure, I'm glad to be able to give something back to the community that helped me so much.

I've just ordered those fakes from Soldat to see just how bad/good they are. As much as I hate wasting money on fakes & encouraging those that sell them, I've learnt so much by doing so.

Joe,

Indeed I do, forgot all about it. I'll dig it out & take a look, I'm not very good with war badges.

Cheers
Don

I recall a Luft. Flak example with Juncker Berlin SW 68 marks that was discussed as a possible period piece. Not sure there ever was a consensus. However it did not have the same hinge as your example and your example has a few other areas that need looked at. I borrowed your image and placed arrows at the spots in question. Hope that's OK, if not just say the word and I'll remove it.
1st., note the wing tip is cropped.
2nd., the swas. is thin in one arm as you mention. Bent would not be a cause for alarm but a thick to thin arm?
3rd., it appears there is a missing bump that appears on known C.E.J. pieces.

Not much help was I. More questions than answers. --dj--Joe

Bill, I believe you to be correct on the JFS marked 4 rivet semi hollow GAB from what I have seen and read so far. Lets see what Don finds and others have to say.

--dj--Joe

Hello,
Don again I appreciate it and hope that one day I might be able to give back to the collecting community as you guys have. Joe it's definately okay to use my image,no problem at all. As far as not being much help believe me I'm a babe in the woods compared to you guys...particularly when it concerns war badges and the like.
Duzig(Bill)

I went over to another forum and did a search on the GAB and found many hits on it with a resounding concensus that it is a well known fake.

PAUL

Well I'm back again!

It was easier to find the answer than I thought, as Paul says, a well documented fake. JFS did not make the standard GAB (only the numbered ones).

There is an unmarked badge with a similar design to this & to tell the difference look at the reverse. Where the line of the edge of the wings comes down, it should not flare out with the shape of the feather halfway down as it does on this badge, but carry straight on.

Cheers
Don

Hello again all
I was pretty sure that I had read that the assault badge with jfs was bad so I thank you all for confirmation on that. I've had these three badges for at least 25 years,bought when I was just a once in awhile collector of these items....I'm still a once in awhile collector of items but nowadays I try to look before I leap. I'm glad I didn't pay much for them. It's funny that some of the repro stuff I think is better made than some of the real items. I have the fake tank assault badge shown in the other thread,and at one time had a real tank badge,forget the maker,but if someone would have asked me which is real I would have said the one that seemed more detailed and better made...which would have been the wrong answer. It's truly amazing the amount of information one can get from these forums and again thanks to all.
Duzig(Bill)

I managed to get hold of the fake shooting badges being sold by Soldat (link above). I don't think we have to worry about these fooling many, they are appallingly bad.

For some reason they've decided to cut sections out from them as well......

Reverse: bubbles & pitts all over

man how things change,,In C. Ailsbys book 'WW2 German Medals- 1994 he alludes to the JFS GAB as being good! I've never handled one but have seen the exact badge without any maker mark on it. Maybe that one is now deened fake also...