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I thought I would share with every one that there are several Honor Rings for sale at http://www.craiggottlieb.com/
One is a very interesting "mint" condition one that belonged to a Hauptsturmfuhrer (Captain) Tost, What is very interesting about this one is the fine photograph of the details of the skull teeth.

Ubique,, Craig usually has some very nice rings. So does another advertiser here called 'MilitaryNut'..

These [sometimes excellent detailed] photos, should be copied and saved for students/admirers of the ring for reference/study...

I realize this post is an older one, but this Totenkopfring with the missing inside inscription is troublesome. Compare the swastika with ANY known 2nd style ring, and it doesn't match. ALL 2nd pattern swastikas have the same crooked construction in the same places. Not this one!! And, of course, what's up with bizarre darkening on the inside? Anyone else?

To me it looks like it was casted from original Honor ring , it hase the same glosy apiriance, prehaps i am mistaken but that is how i see it!!!

Ring missing the inside inscription IMHO is not original.

Here it is. Nice ring.

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This is not a stone mint honor ring but a new made fake, which looks very nice but that is all it is, a nice fake Honor ring!!!

I agree with Rogi. I also feel that the last ring pictured is fake. Let's see the inside.

nice enough to wear discreetly in public,,,

Japanese collector bought it few day ago. The collector will send it back for Don Boyle�s certification. Thanks.

Please let us all know how it turns out.

beefy!

Josias. The ring already left from me.
All truth will clear up with Don�s certification. Then I will open everything.

Not to step on my friends BlackJacks toes but..

This ring came about in conversation from a collector who emailed me..

I can tell you the ring was seen and studied 'in hand' by Don.. The ring got a paper,,but not the paper one would want.
It has multiple problems. The ring has been condemed as a fake/reproduction....

Be careful out there guys!

I belive we all already now the answer, there are some very weal made Honor rings for sale lately but they are not weal acepted by the mayority of Honor rings and SS regalia collectors, since all this HR rings inquestion have some sort of similar floes, specialy around teeth, so i belive they all come from the same sors! There is also another possibilty and that is that we are all wrong and thouse so colled Honor rings are originals custed in diferante stayle by Otto Gahr and we simply didnt know abouth that stayle until know!?

Rogi-You were right the first time. The very fact that a fake ring contains the same die flaws as original rings indicates an attempt at deception. If there were, indeed, examples of Gahr rings that were variations, they would have their own unique die flaws, not the same ones. Check out my recent post, "Incredible Coincidence", and you'll see more on this "Tost" ring.

Thank you.My friend.Gaspare. Money is back to my friend. No trouble.I don�t get the paper of examination.My friend already doesn�t own De-name ring.Sorry.

I agree looks brand new this ring, don't think I'd like to have this one.

I would like to hear from the present owner as to where this ring came from.

hey Craig,,read you other last 2 posts.. No need to insult the membership here..
You wanna show papers,,how about showing the paper Don sent you on this ring.

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Originally posted by Gaspare:
hey Craig,,.....
You wanna show papers,,how about showing the paper Don sent you on this ring.

Quite agree with G. : to end any blah blah, better showing Don's papers !

Ric

I would have a contact with sshonorring.jugem.jp but the mail that I have found on the site has not given me the opportunity of a contact. Can you help me for an address? Thank you.

Is the Tost ring back on the market?

Hello all,....Ok so let's get this right...... Craig publishes an experts book about honour rings, then sells a fake one as real!...If this is true then he must therefore be by deffinition a total con man?. I cannot see how it is possible that somebody is able to write an authorative book about something and then pass off an item as genuine without knowing that it's fake. If this is true my faith in those making a living from TR regalia is dissapearing fast.....BUT ONLY IF THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY THIS RING IS A FAKE ARE CORRECT IN YOUR ASSUMPTIONS??? MANY THANKS.

"my faith in those making a living from TR regalia is dissapearing fast"

Lost my faith in dealers years ago.

unfortunately i agree with those last two postings,,,

I have heard that the new "super-fake" SSTK's have an unusual country of origination - JAPAN.

Wondering what "Black-Jack" can tell us about that?
Thanks!

-serge-

Would somebody be able to identify a mint honor ring if they saw it, I mean mint without any wear marks,no rounding of the edges, just as it was when it was made, would that ring look different than anything that had been seen before, did the wearing of a ring produce flaws or differences that we take for granted as being cast at the time of manufacture because mint rings are so rare they are hardly ever seen or discussed.

How many here could honestly say for 100% certain that they could identify such a ring without resorting to asking for other opinions.
How many MINT rings are known??.

Gary

It sure is distressing to hear that such a well know collector, dealer, and author of the most recent Honor Ring book would sell a non-original TR Ring as original. It makes me wonder what we are really doing here in this "hobby"?

Chief

i have a MINT, and i mean MINT, SSHR,,,direct vet purchase in the 80's with the box,,,

All I can say is Don Boyle has never let us collectors of these rings down. He always will be the go to guy on TKHRs.

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Originally posted by militarymania:
i have a MINT, and i mean MINT, SSHR,,,direct vet purchase in the 80's with the box,,,

Any chance to see it ?

TIA

Ric

Gary,, There are a few totally mint HRs out there. Could it be authenticated by photos alone? Well, IF, if the photos were taken properly and large enough I'd say Don could.
In hand,,I'd say there are many that could with a good loupe in hand!

A worn ring will sometimes disfigure the details. They can actually get 'stretched', fatter, grow in appearance. Details will sometimes completely get worm smooth. rough wearing will display cuts, 'dings' dents etc. Inside usually gets ultra smooth.. Robin L. had a completely worn smooth HR. The inside engraving was still legible so unless someone takes a dremel to the inside they stay pretty well..

Guys,,CGs book has mistakes in it. To the best of my knowledge all reference books have a few mistakes in them.. It's just how it is...
As far as he selling a fake ring as authentic? Well, he believes the ring is good so there you go..

Gaspare et al:
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here as I consider myself an amateur in the TK arena. From what I know; a TK ring will exhibit the same die flaws whether it's in "Mint" condition or whether it's well worn. These flaws are inherent in the die itself and will of course vary depending upon whether your viewing an early or late ring. I understand these flaws may be stretched or distorted somewhat on a wellworn ring but will still be present. Please feel free to correct this assumption if it's incorrect in any way.
Jim

there was a thread on SSHR's awhile back,,,check that out and if it is gone,i will repost pics,,,Robert

Thank you Gaspere.

Are all the mint honor rings out there exactly the same or are there differences, are any two rings exactly the same??.
You guys will have to educate me as I'm a complete novice in this area, I've read over some of the threads on this forum and have a few questions regarding mint rings.

Gary

Theoretically, they should all be identical, since the same die stamp was used. Any imperfections or die flaws should be present on every ring. Since many of the flaws are in the recesses of the ring, even worn rings exhibit most of the known flaws. After the stamping process, rings may have been hand-tooled or "cleaned-up" somewhat to sharpen some details, or remove excess metal. But they should be pretty identical. There are, however, 5 different styles of skulls and also different types of teeth according to mr. Boyle.